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re: Pope reminds us during Palm Sunday mass that war is not Christian
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:39 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:39 am to Squirrelmeister
This is a very common mistake athiests and Protestants alike will make. They pick and chose verses, ignoring context and believing that if it’s in the Bible, God condones it.
You’re reading that passage as if it’s a command, when it’s actually a lament.
Psalm 137 is written in the context of Israel’s exile in Babylon after horrific violence was done to them. It’s expressing human anguish and a desire for justice… not prescribing moral behavior for believers.
The Psalms contain poetry, emotion, and cries of the heart. Not every line is a moral instruction. If you read it as “God endorses this,” you’re misunderstanding the genre and context.
Also, Christianity doesn’t interpret isolated verses in a vacuum. Christ is the full revelation of God, and He explicitly teaches love of enemy, mercy, and restraint from violence.
So no, that passage is not a justification for harming innocents. It’s a reflection of human pain crying out to God in a broken world.
You’re reading that passage as if it’s a command, when it’s actually a lament.
Psalm 137 is written in the context of Israel’s exile in Babylon after horrific violence was done to them. It’s expressing human anguish and a desire for justice… not prescribing moral behavior for believers.
The Psalms contain poetry, emotion, and cries of the heart. Not every line is a moral instruction. If you read it as “God endorses this,” you’re misunderstanding the genre and context.
Also, Christianity doesn’t interpret isolated verses in a vacuum. Christ is the full revelation of God, and He explicitly teaches love of enemy, mercy, and restraint from violence.
So no, that passage is not a justification for harming innocents. It’s a reflection of human pain crying out to God in a broken world.
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 7:58 am to lsugorilla
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Jesus, he added, came to bring life and light to the world, even as darkness and death was about to engulf Him.
I could not agree more El Papa. But we must remember those babies brutally murdered (appalling - they sliced off their tiny heads) by Iranian Proxy Hamas deserved "life and light" as well. .
I hate war. But this Iranian Islamic regime is brutally ruthless in its pursuit of Islamic tyranny.
What is seared in my mind is the image of that young Iranian man smilling at his loved ones as he is about to be hanged for opposing the regime. Or that pretty young Iranian girl participating in a protest dying from a gunshot wound to her chest.......in real time. We owe it to them to free our Iranian brothers and sisters from brutal tyranny. They are the family of all peace loving peoples. No peoples deserve to be treated like this.
This is Holy Week. We begin the most solemn observance of the Life, Passion, and Death of Jesus the Christ on the Cross. A reminder that evil kills Good. Evil will never tolerate Good.
The culture of death is pervasive, even in our own country.
President Trump is right about.........everything.
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 3/30/26 at 8:32 am to jcaz
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Why are Christian leaders such pussies lately?
This is all about the Popo being a good and compliant litte Globalist puppet and trashing the man who isn't part of the corrupt world system that the Popo bows his knee to.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:28 am to Riverside
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Did the Pope forget about the Crusades?
Are you suggesting the crusades were justified?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:31 am to PeleofAnalytics
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I guess the rules changed after Jesus showed up.
You guess?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 9:34 am to KCT
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Why are Christian leaders such pussies lately?
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President Trump is right about.........everything.
Christians: I know better than the pope
What’s the Ghandi quote? I like your Christ…
Posted on 3/30/26 at 11:39 am to METAL
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This is a very common mistake athiests and Protestants alike will make. They pick and chose verses, ignoring context
They? But not you, right?
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You’re reading that passage as if it’s a command, when it’s actually a lament.
Yeah, so? My response was to another poster saying women and children weren’t enemies of Israel or something like that. Whether Yahweh (who does not exist in reality) gave them the command or not, the Israelites from Judah exiled in Babylon felt that the innocent children were enemies.
Don’t like lament psalms? Go check out exodus through Joshua - all the times where Yahweh commands the killing of enemy women, children, elderly, infants, and even goats and donkeys.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 2:57 pm to Squirrelmeister
Correct. Orthodox and Catholics do a proper exegesis. Others pick and chose.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 3:14 pm to METAL
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Correct. Orthodox and Catholics do a proper exegesis. Others pick and chose.
So you don’t pick and choose. So when Yahweh Elohim commands the slaughter of innocent mothers and babies, you embrace it? When God inspires the magic abortion potion in Numbers to murder the innocent unborn baby of a potentially unfaithful wife, you endorse that killing, because God endorses it. You don’t pick and choose and you don’t make excuses.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 3:15 pm to lsugorilla
Well that's not a very Catholic thing for him to say
Posted on 3/30/26 at 3:22 pm to Squirrelmeister
That’s not “not picking and choosing.” That’s just confidently misreading the text. Catholics don’t rip isolated verses out of context, flatten them, and pretend every line is a universal moral command. We read Scripture in context, by genre, and through the fullness of revelation in Christ. That’s called actually doing exegesis.
For the Canaanite passages, you’re treating a specific historical judgment as if it’s a standing moral rule. It’s not. God, as the author of life, has authority over life and death in a way we don’t. And nowhere does Scripture give you permission to apply that yourself.
With the Numbers example, there is no “magic abortion potion.” That’s something you’re importing into the text, not drawing from it. The passage never describes killing a child. It’s a trial by ordeal for adultery. Calling it abortion doesn’t make it one.
And most importantly, Christianity doesn’t end in the Old Testament. Christ is the full revelation of God. He explicitly teaches love of enemy, mercy, and restraint. That’s the lens everything is interpreted through.
So no, we’re not “embracing slaughter.” We’re just not forcing modern assumptions onto ancient texts and then acting like that’s what the Bible teaches. That’s the difference between actually understanding Scripture and just quoting it.
2 Peter 1: 19-20
For the Canaanite passages, you’re treating a specific historical judgment as if it’s a standing moral rule. It’s not. God, as the author of life, has authority over life and death in a way we don’t. And nowhere does Scripture give you permission to apply that yourself.
With the Numbers example, there is no “magic abortion potion.” That’s something you’re importing into the text, not drawing from it. The passage never describes killing a child. It’s a trial by ordeal for adultery. Calling it abortion doesn’t make it one.
And most importantly, Christianity doesn’t end in the Old Testament. Christ is the full revelation of God. He explicitly teaches love of enemy, mercy, and restraint. That’s the lens everything is interpreted through.
So no, we’re not “embracing slaughter.” We’re just not forcing modern assumptions onto ancient texts and then acting like that’s what the Bible teaches. That’s the difference between actually understanding Scripture and just quoting it.
2 Peter 1: 19-20
Posted on 3/30/26 at 3:43 pm to lsugorilla
Posted on 3/30/26 at 3:59 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:Are you actually fricking retarded??? Go look up the actual history of the Crusades and then come back and tell us they weren't absolutely justified. Unless you're a Muslim then instead all I have to say is "frick you."
Are you suggesting the crusades were justified?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:04 pm to mwrawls
It’s crazy how many people think this just based on what they were taught in elementary school. Sure, some of the crusades were absurd, like the fourth… But overall, they were just and defensive.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:14 pm to lsugorilla
The Catholic Church has much to atone for before I take anything they say seriously ever again. Running cover for child diddlers is unforgivable.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:26 pm to Tigerfan4545
I hear you. I stopped being an American, loving the Constitution, supporting state’s rights and loving baseball when Obama was President.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:46 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Are you suggesting they weren't? Of course they were, they were taking back what the Muslims stole when they invaded. You retarded or something?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 5:56 pm to lsugorilla
Pope needs to think before he speaks and do fact checks.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 6:02 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Pope reminds us during Palm Sunday mass that war is not Christian
Luckily he's Catholic
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