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re: Politifact in action. Trump's 100% true statement rated mostly false
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:07 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:So in your opinion, Trump was merely pointing out how much better the economy is now versus when Obama took over?
Instead, Politifake alters what it claims Trump said to something demonstrably false, then rates it false. It is Fake News.
You are a really pathetic troll.
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Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Trump's message appears to have actually been carefully worded . . . . for once.
So, you submit this is Trump's ONLY carefully worded message - because that is ONLY possible way to support your argument.
It is eminently more logical to assume that this message from Trump is worded comparably to EVERY other message from Trump.
That is precisely what media outlets everywhere did -
interpreted that Trump was implying he was responsible for the decrease in the debt.
This was the ONLY carefully worded Trump tweet. Yeah, that's a good one. Grab that last straw.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:22 pm to Iowa Golfer
No time for that. It's almost milk season.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:29 pm to goldennugget
"The numbers check out" - Mostly False
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Milk season is getting closer. That's all factual. Unlike your analysis of polling methodology it seems. One would only need to search both our posts regarding this matter to check the accuracy of this statement.
Go Buckeyes! Marco!
Go Buckeyes! Marco!
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:32 pm to goldennugget
Politi"fact" also took almost the exact same statemetn from Bernie Sanders and from Trump regarding actual black unemployment and rated Sanders mostly true and Trump mostly false.
They both said, essentially, that REAL unemployment for blacks was much higher than the stated government %.
For Sanders statement they said "Mostly true, the official number sucks!"
and for Trump said "Mostly false, he's using unofficial metrics, the government's official number is X! He's lying!"
They both said, essentially, that REAL unemployment for blacks was much higher than the stated government %.
For Sanders statement they said "Mostly true, the official number sucks!"
and for Trump said "Mostly false, he's using unofficial metrics, the government's official number is X! He's lying!"
Posted on 2/26/17 at 7:58 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:
Unlike your analysis of polling methodology it seems.
No way you're confused again.
quote:
One would only need to search both our posts regarding this matter to check the accuracy of this statement.
I'd encourage anyone to do so.
Posted on 2/26/17 at 8:05 pm to Bullethead88
quote:False.
So, you submit this is Trump's ONLY carefully worded message - because that is ONLY possible way to support your argument.
It isn't the only possible way to support my argument. It isn't even one of a few possible ways to support my argument. But rejection of it is the only way to support yours.
Again, the point is, the message states what it states. It does not say what politifake claims. It does not state what you wish it did. It is clear of its own accord. Unfortunate for you, and for politifake, but nonetheless a fact.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 10:54 am to NC_Tigah
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Again, the point is, the message states what it states.
mmcgrath:
quote:
So in your opinion, Trump was merely pointing out how much better the economy is now versus when Obama took over?
You are a really pathetic troll.
I agree with mmcgrath
Posted on 2/27/17 at 11:53 am to Bullethead88
quote:FYI, it isn't my "opinion".
So in your opinion, Trump was merely pointing out how much better the economy is now versus when Obama took over?
It is what was said. Period.
For some reason, that fact seems to bother you two. Immensely.
Listen, when Trump makes a silly statement like "who knew healthcare was this complicated?", call him out. By all means, he says enough crazy stuff to keep critics well occupied. But don't reinvent what he's saying, then claim he shouldn't have said what he in fact never said. That is Fake News. If you do that while proclaiming yourself a nonpartisan fact-finder, it incinerates your credibility. Politifake has no credibility left.
In terms of my opinion, I believe Trump played the MSM. He played them like the nitwits they are. He hung what should have been a slow-pitch softball out there for them. He knew they'd play a different pitch, then swing and miss. They did just as he expected. They cannot help themselves, nor can you or mmcgrath.
In terms of economics, there is a general market understanding that if Trump gets his regulation reform, decreased taxes and repatriation, performance will increase. That understanding led to a nearly 17% increase in the DJIA since election day, and that's all on Trump. However, credit for budget deficits is at best minimally shared by him with Obama. As far as I can tell, Obama would be 100% justified in taking full credit for it.
A considered response from rabidly pro-socialist, pro-Obamanomics reporters should have involved a straight-forward economic piece on rapid diminution of deficits in Obama's final months. It was hanging there like a tee-ball. Yet, it's whiff-whiff-whiff . . . . inning over.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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FYI, it isn't my "opinion".
Perhaps you didn't take into consideration that Trump's tweet came only a couple of hours after Herman Cain went on Fox and complained that the press wasn't giving Trump enough credit for the fact that Trump had reduced the national debt $12 billion in his first month. Obviously Trump was watching.
But you never let facts like this get in the way of your opinion so this will not be unlike your normal mule routine whenever you are wrong.
Of course, you should be used to being wrong by now, so this will be no different.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:30 pm to Bullethead88
quote:Actually, I try not to let my opinion get in the way of facts. Evidently you struggle with that.
But you never let facts like this get in the way of your opinion
I doesn't matter a tinker's damn what Cain said, or I said, or you said, or what anyone else said. What matters is what Trump said. He simply did not say what you claim. Politifake invented a meaning to suit its end. You made the mistake of believing it.
Sorry you apparently feel like I'm giving you the Edward II hot poker treatment, by simply insisting you stick with facts. But as the old adage goes, you either stick with the facts, or they will stick you.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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He simply did not say what you claim. Politifake invented a meaning to suit its end. You made the mistake of believing it.
It might interest you (ultra-denier) that he posted a follow-up tweet to the tweet at issue:
“Great optimism for future of U.S. business, AND JOBS, with the DOW having an 11th straight record close. Big tax & regulation cuts coming!”
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Still think Trump was just giving facts without implying that he should get credit for all of this?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I still can't believe your stance on Dairy Season!
No way you're confused again.
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:57 pm to a want
Bottom line:
-Trump says the debt dropped $12 million in his 1st month
-It actually dropped that much in his first month
-Politifact acknowledges it is a factually accurate statement
-Politifact rates the factually accurate statement as "mostly false"
a want and Gkillerface defend Politifact, hilarity ensues
-Trump says the debt dropped $12 million in his 1st month
-It actually dropped that much in his first month
-Politifact acknowledges it is a factually accurate statement
-Politifact rates the factually accurate statement as "mostly false"
a want and Gkillerface defend Politifact, hilarity ensues
This post was edited on 2/27/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:03 pm to Bullethead88
quote:
It might interest you (ultra-denier) that he posted a follow-up tweet to the tweet at issue:
“Great optimism for future of U.S. business, AND JOBS, with the DOW having an 11th straight record close. Big tax & regulation cuts coming!”
quote:
In terms of economics, there is a general market understanding that if Trump gets his regulation reform, decreased taxes and repatriation, performance will increase. That understanding led to a nearly 17% increase in the DJIA since election day, and that's all on Trump. However, credit for budget deficits is at best minimally shared by him with Obama. As far as I can tell, Obama would be 100% justified in taking full credit for it.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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As far as I can tell, Obama would be 100% justified in taking full credit for it.
Nice try. Being all magnanimous saying that Obama could take for 100% credit for the decrease -- thereby implying that Trump shouldn't get credit -- underhandedly trying to bolster your argument that Trump wasn't implying that he should get credit for the decease.
So you still say that Trump wasn't trying to take credit for the decrease in the debt by making that tweet?
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:48 pm to Bullethead88
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So you still say that Trump wasn't trying to take credit for the decrease in the debt by making that tweet?
That doesn't matter because politifact wasn't rating the idea that Trump was trying to take credit for the decrease. They were rating the reduction claim.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:50 pm to buckeye_vol
I'm neutral on it. Milk season, though...
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:02 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Politifact really is a hack organization. I'm currently looking at some of their other ratings and they took another 100% factual statement made, this time, by Roy Blunt and rated it "Half True."
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So they take the statement, say that it is true, then rate it "half-true" because of context even though part of what they use for their context further verifies that out of pocket costs are increasing for "most" Missourians. Further their example is for individuals receiving tax subsidies to help pay for the premiums so even more individuals, who don't qualify for the subsidies, will see even higher out of pocket costs.
Poltiifact is a sham organization that exists to rate Republican claims as low and Democratic claims as high as possible.
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"This year, 97 Missouri counties have only one insurer participating in the Obamacare exchanges," the Republican said in a Jan. 11 press release. "Last year, every Missouri county had at least two insurance options."........
On the numbers, Blunt is correct. Ninety-seven Missouri counties will only have one insurance provider offering coverage on the health care exchange this year, according to data compiled and released by the official exchange provider, HealthCare.gov, and synthesized by the Missouri Hospital Association and the Kaiser Family Foundation.........
The second part of Blunt’s statement — "In addition, most Missourians will see an increase in their premiums, with some facing an increase upward of 40 percent" — is also statistically accurate, according to the Missouri Hospital Association and the Kaiser Family Foundation. However, it does not accurately portray the out-of-pocket price Missourians will face in 2017.
While premiums are on the rise in Missouri, as they are in the rest of the country, so, too, are the tax credits designed to offset the cost that the consumer bears....
So while premiums for the second lowest cost silver plan in each of the eight counties rose in 2017, the out-of-pocket cost saw a change of less than one percent — less than a dollar.
So they take the statement, say that it is true, then rate it "half-true" because of context even though part of what they use for their context further verifies that out of pocket costs are increasing for "most" Missourians. Further their example is for individuals receiving tax subsidies to help pay for the premiums so even more individuals, who don't qualify for the subsidies, will see even higher out of pocket costs.
Poltiifact is a sham organization that exists to rate Republican claims as low and Democratic claims as high as possible.
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