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re: poliboard existentialism
Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:56 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:56 am to 4cubbies
A point and then a few questions:
Point: For those who didn't really read, your complaint wasn't necessarily about Trump but about people who are perceived as not being held accountable for their actions and those who defend this seeming lack of accountability.
I get the point you're trying to make, but that's a poor example unless your student's home has been raided by the FBI, he's been victim of multiple assassination attempts, multiple malicious prosecutions and is constantly excoriated by the majority of media (whether deserved or not) on a daily basis.
Questions: What did your student do to get him landed in jail in the first place? Does he have any other crimes? If so, what were they? What was the crime your student is said to have committed to get his parole revoked?
I know your knee-jerk is to be defensive about answering those as you seek to protect your student, the problem is that the answers to these questions may well be germane to what he's going through.
Point: For those who didn't really read, your complaint wasn't necessarily about Trump but about people who are perceived as not being held accountable for their actions and those who defend this seeming lack of accountability.
I get the point you're trying to make, but that's a poor example unless your student's home has been raided by the FBI, he's been victim of multiple assassination attempts, multiple malicious prosecutions and is constantly excoriated by the majority of media (whether deserved or not) on a daily basis.
Questions: What did your student do to get him landed in jail in the first place? Does he have any other crimes? If so, what were they? What was the crime your student is said to have committed to get his parole revoked?
I know your knee-jerk is to be defensive about answering those as you seek to protect your student, the problem is that the answers to these questions may well be germane to what he's going through.
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Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
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You know that our justice system caters to people with money and connections.
Is it your argument that since the wealthy routinely get away with shite, that the poor should as well?
I would argue that being poor should actually be an incentive to follow the law and stay out of trouble as the poor person can't afford a fancy defense.
I wonder why it's not.. could it be that the same traits that cement poverty also tend toward criminal behavior?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:57 am to kingbob
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Non-unanimous isn’t necessarily mutually exclusive with beyond a reasonable doubt.
I don't know how to respond to this. Are you implying that the State shouldn't have to prove guilt beyond a reasonable to an entire jury to secure a conviction?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
Beyond a reasonable doubt is their burden. Not all doubts are reasonable. There is a big difference. I am objectively stating that jurors will often vote not-guilty out of solidarity even when they fully believe that the accused is guilty. Jurors lie just like defendants, judges, attorneys, and politicians.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
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I'm wondering why you felt compelled to post an unserious condescending response to a serious concern.
What is this "serious concern"?
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:07 am to Bard
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I get the point you're trying to make, but that's a poor example unless your student's home has been raided by the FBI, he's been victim of multiple assassination attempts, multiple malicious prosecutions and is constantly excoriated by the majority of media (whether deserved or not) on a daily basis.
The point I tried to make is that we distract ourselves with discussing "politics" in abstract ways that don't really impact us instead of devoting energy to matters that do impact our daily lives, or the daily lives of real people in our communities.
quote:He was sentenced to probation, not parole. There's no more parole in Louisiana for people convicted after August 1, 2024.
Questions: What did your student do to get him landed in jail in the first place? Does he have any other crimes? If so, what were they? What was the crime your student is said to have committed to get his parole revoked?
His original felony was related to a driving offense. All of his original charges and convictions are driving offenses.
quote:He certainly broke the law. I've never tried to excuse that or say he didn't deserve to face the consequences of his actions. I guess that's why I'm confused as to why people seem to be desperate to know the details of his conviction/arrest.
the problem is that the answers to these questions may well be germane to what he's going through.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:08 am to 4cubbies
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His original felony was related to a driving offense. All of his original charges and convictions are driving offenses.
Sounds like he should have a drivers license.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:09 am to kingbob
quote:What do you have to do to get a felony driving conviction?
His original felony was related to a driving offense. All of his original charges and convictions are driving offenses.
Sounds like he should have a drivers license.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
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I guess that's why I'm confused as to why people seem to be desperate to know the details of his conviction/arrest.
It’s obvious why you’re hiding it.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:09 am to lurking
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It’s obvious why you’re hiding it.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:11 am to Jbird
Reckless Ops, DUI, hit and run, driving a stolen vehicle, carjacking. My money is on Reckless Ops for driving more than 20 over in a vehicle with no license, insurance, and registered in someone else’s name.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:12 am to 4cubbies
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The point I tried to make is that we distract ourselves with discussing "politics" in abstract ways that don't really impact us instead of devoting energy to matters that do impact our daily lives, or the daily lives of real people in our communities.
You're assuming no one else is involved with their communities. Why?
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His original felony was related to a driving offense. All of his original charges and convictions are driving offenses.
He has a serious pattern of behavior that even your well intentioned time with him hasn't changed. What systemic issue do you feel is at the root of this? What systemic changes could be made that would convince him to drive legally or not at all?
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He certainly broke the law. I've never tried to excuse that or say he didn't deserve to face the consequences of his actions. I guess that's why I'm confused as to why people seem to be desperate to know the details of his conviction/arrest.
Because of how you styled your OP.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
I help run a program for disadvantaged youth of "a certain demographic." We give them nothing, but try to teach them:
A) Stay in school, and enter a training program there, that provides training and internships at local industries. These programs are offered at our local high school.
B) Don't have kids until you're married and can provide for them.
C) Don't break the law.
Our research has found that if these kids can do these three things, they have a much greater chance of success in life.
There are victories, but there are many failures. The simple truth is, that particular demographic doesn't place much stock in those three things.
I would add, all of these kids still live at home with their mom (dad is often around), or grandmother. NEVER do the "adults" bother to show any interest in any of our efforts. They are just happy to get them out of the house for awhile.
The world is unjust, but many bring it on themselves.
A) Stay in school, and enter a training program there, that provides training and internships at local industries. These programs are offered at our local high school.
B) Don't have kids until you're married and can provide for them.
C) Don't break the law.
Our research has found that if these kids can do these three things, they have a much greater chance of success in life.
There are victories, but there are many failures. The simple truth is, that particular demographic doesn't place much stock in those three things.
I would add, all of these kids still live at home with their mom (dad is often around), or grandmother. NEVER do the "adults" bother to show any interest in any of our efforts. They are just happy to get them out of the house for awhile.
The world is unjust, but many bring it on themselves.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:14 am to SallysHuman
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Because of how you styled your OP.
That’s this poster’s MO. She doesn’t really want discussion just trolling
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:17 am to Perfect Circle
The only time that parents ever seem to show an interest in what their kid does is by raising unholy hell any time their kid faces negative consequences for their behavior. They offer no assistance with school work, lucky if they’ll even offer a ride to after school activities.?They’ll turn a blind eye to the most heinous crimes, but as soon as there might be a punishment, it’s everyone’s fault but their baby. I saw this s$&t constantly as a teacher.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:26 am to kingbob
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The only time that parents ever seem to show an interest in what their kid does is by raising unholy hell any time their kid faces negative consequences for their behavior. They offer no assistance with school work, lucky if they’ll even offer a ride to after school activities.?They’ll turn a blind eye to the most heinous crimes, but as soon as there might be a punishment, it’s everyone’s fault but their baby. I saw this s$&t constantly as a teacher.
A lot of truth to this. I was board chair of a charter school for 13 years. A lot of parents only showed up to expulsion hearings, and these are the kids who at least got out of the district schools.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:28 am to lurking
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It’s obvious why you’re hiding it.
Is it? What's your theory?
While I can easily find the paperwork about their convictions, that information isn't relevant to my scope of work. Sometimes I remember the charges if they were unusual but I just don't have the bandwidth to be able to recall the convictions of all the people I've worked with over the years. I very, very rarely ever discuss charges or convictions with students.
I remember this kid's because the whole things is so fricking stupid. Just get a license! He said he was going to wait until he got off paper which makes absolutely no sense at all. I told him so but there's only so much I can do.
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:30 am to 4cubbies
quote:Trump's "felonies" are bullshite. Chauvin's charge and conviction was bullshite. Many of the cases against folks like those you support are substantially overcharged to force plea bargains, and tag the defendant with a lesser conviction. That too is bullshite. I have no idea whether it is applicable in this particular case though.
I'm contending that both my student and the President of the United States have felony convictions yet I never see this board do anything but excuse or explain away Trump's convictions while lamenting on the "bad choices" of people like my student.
But yes, if the entire weight of the DOJ and several states independently targeted any of us, we'd be Giuliani'ed. Trump had the unique means to defend against Berian efforts, and FWIW, those "felony" convictions will be overturned on appeal, with virtual certainty.
I do not get the attempted Trump association, unless your fellow has been victimized by legal injustices. If he has, therein lies the equation.
This post was edited on 3/19/26 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:34 am to NC_Tigah
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I do not get the attempted Trump association, unless your fellow has been victimized by legal injustices. If he has, therein lies the equation.
Respectfully, this is an example of what I cited in my post:
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yet I never see this board do anything but excuse or explain away Trump's convictions
Posted on 3/19/26 at 10:34 am to 4cubbies
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I remember this kid's because the whole things is so fricking stupid. Just get a license! He said he was going to wait until he got off paper which makes absolutely no sense at all. I told him so but there's only so much I can do.
I'm interested in your evolution of thought concerning this kid- from your OP to your last post...
Snippet from the OP
quote:
Today I found out one of my most consistent and promising students was arrested over the weekend. It’s just devastating.
It’s very easy and comfortable for people who aren’t around “a certain demographic” to cast judgment from places of privilege but y’all just don’t know what some people are up against.
And as much as this board loves to deny that systemic issues exist, the obstacles are systemic and they are not addressed by message board lectures about personal responsibility.
All the way to...
quote:
the whole things is so fricking stupid. Just get a license!
Your last post reeks of the same "message board lectures about personal responsibility" that you complained about in your very first post.
what changed?
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