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re: Poli Board Defamation Scholars
Posted on 4/26/26 at 7:16 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 4/26/26 at 7:16 am to Obtuse1
quote:Sullivan is an abject obscenity.
I think this will ultimately come down to a test of Sullivan and the legacy Gertz and Curtis. ...
In general, I like Sullivan.
Why?
Because any ruling allowing three major news outlets to bastardize coverage against the Covington Kentucky kid for a solid week when the evidence was crystal clear that the picture they were painting was a lie, and then to not apologize, or go after the lying activist who set the situation up, is an obscenity. No reasonable basis. No justification. Only adults making excuses for other adults behaving badly and directing that behavior toward children. That defines obscenity in my book.
You like Sullivan in general?
Well to each his own, I guess.
This post was edited on 4/26/26 at 7:30 am
Posted on 4/26/26 at 3:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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Sullivan is an abject obscenity.
Why?
Because any ruling allowing three major news outlets to bastardize coverage against the Covington Kentucky kid for a solid week when the evidence was crystal clear that the picture they were painting was a lie, and then to not apologize, or go after the lying activist who set the situation up, is an obscenity. No reasonable basis. No justification. Only adults making excuses for other adults behaving badly and directing that behavior toward children. That defines obscenity in my book.
First, I will assume you are discussing the summary judgment in the Sandmann case since I know of no other one that fits your post.
Sandmann is useless for the point you are trying to make. Sandmann filed under diversity jurisdiction, and Kentucky law was applied. Sullivan would have been irrelevant and was not used as a defence nor in the court's analysis. Kentucky (the case is something like Sud Chemical) generally follows the Restatement of Torts and has a 4 pronged test for defamation. Sandmann turned on actionability, and fact versus opinion. Sandmann was not a plaintiff that Sullivan could/would have applied to.
You can certainly argue that Sullivan is obscene, but you at least need an example where Sullivan was relevant and was applied by the court to reach your conclusion.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 8:19 pm to AlterEd
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Well, he can't prove that he wasn't drunk unless they happened to do a BAC or something at the time. So what he would need is the word of someone else willing to go to bat for him who was actually there at the time (Patel alleges The Atlantic's sources do not have first hand knowledge of what they are even alleging) and says they're untrue, right?
Prove is relative. The burden of proof (in other words, the degree to which the thing must be proven) is by a preponderance of the evidence. That means greater than 50/50. Patel proves to a jury greater than 50% (even 50.1%) that the claims are false, then he's met his burden of proof on that element. And by "prove to a jury" I simply mean convince, or persuade. Depending on your jury, if they find him credible, his own denials could be enough. To survive summary judgement, he only needs evidence sufficient that a jury could believe by a preponderance of the evidence that the story is false.
Falsity/Truth is usually not the issue on summary judgement. These types of things are nearly impossible to prove definitively one way or another. If falsity/truth was the only issue, you'd at least get the case to the jury and avoid dismissal every time.
The problem is finding some evidence to show that a jury could believe the reporter knew it was false, and published it anyway in order to harm Patel. That evidence is usually hard to find, and pure "well that's what makes sense" isn't enough. You need some real testimony and documentary evidence to make the case. Conversely, evidence to show the reporter at least had a reason to believe it was true is almost always present. Even if that evidence falls well short of what we would all expect a quality outlet to rely on before publication.
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