re: Plot Twist: Truth Social tipped off the FBI about Craig Robertson

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Wanna know how they could have de-escalated the situation. Send two agents to his home to talk to him. Have one of them stay in the car watching. One agent goes to talk to him in his doorway. Would have been completely non-threatening.

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They did. He told them to F off. Then he posted online threats to shoot them when they came back.

Local FBI agents are just people doing their jobs. They catch pedos, murders, drug & human traffickers, fraudsters and have to confront the occasional heavily-armed schizophrenic.
The one's infiltrating churches, school board meeting, Proudboys et al are outliers, boogie men that Fox news magnifies to tip people like Mr. Robertson over the edge.
Do you know how much money I spent at McDonalds looking for that one piece of Monopoly property to win something decent?
FAFO

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Yep, this was basically an execution by the FBI.

Based on what?

Are you saying this is bullshite:

Based on the fact that they knew if they did an armed raid at his home, that he was more likely to resist with force. It’s called common fricking sense.

If the FBI were an ethical agency, they would have easily devised a plan to apprehend this 75 year old man with a minimal chance of resistance.

He threatened to kill the President in Utah right? So you surveil him when the President is in town. If he gets in his vehicle, you make a road stop with several law enforcement vehicles. Once again, a suspect in a vehicle is way more vulnerable to gunfire, and most likely lightly armed while driving a vehicle than they are in their home.

When you raid a suspect in their home, the odds of a shootout are much higher and more likely than in their vehicle.

It’s like the difference between cornering a wild animal in their den, versus dropping a net on them while they’re walking around.

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Literally everything you've said here is completely wrong. As a law enforcement officer, the last thing you want is an unpredictable, wide open situation to unfold in public where innocent bystanders could become victims; of either the perpetrator going rogue and firing shots/running in their vehicle, or a stray shot from an officer.

You claim a suspect in a vehicle is "more vulnerable to gunfire" so that should be the preferred method, which is a completely asinine way to think about this. It's an officer's CORE duty to protect the innocent and vulnerable from criminals, but you want a shootout in moving vehicles on public roads because the perp is more vulnerable to gunfire that way? Holy shite.

You absolutely want to apprehend someone like this that has shown that they're armed and dangerous, and cantankerous towards law enforcement, in a controlled, pre-planned environment without innocent bystanders present. I can assure you the officers and agents present did not expect this would turn into a shootout, but they had a plan to counteract that involved surrounding his home if it did.

It's impossible to plan for an arrest out in a public place the same way you can pre-plan for an arrest surrounding a home, where you know the perp will be contained.

Source: am a US Marshal

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Literally everything you've said here is completely wrong. As a law enforcement officer, the last thing you want is an unpredictable, wide open situation to unfold in public where innocent bystanders could become victims; of either the perpetrator going rogue and firing shots/running in their vehicle, or a stray shot from an officer.

You claim a suspect in a vehicle is "more vulnerable to gunfire" so that should be the preferred method, which is a completely asinine way to think about this. It's an officer's CORE duty to protect the innocent and vulnerable from criminals, but you want a shootout in moving vehicles on public roads because the perp is more vulnerable to gunfire that way? Holy shite.

You absolutely want to apprehend someone like this that has shown that they're armed and dangerous, and cantankerous towards law enforcement, in a controlled, pre-planned environment without innocent bystanders present. I can assure you the officers and agents present did not expect this would turn into a shootout, but they had a plan to counteract that involved surrounding his home if it did.

It's impossible to plan for an arrest out in a public place the same way you can pre-plan for an arrest surrounding a home, where you know the perp will be contained.

Source: am a US Marshal

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^Knows what he's talking about.

My personal favorite from this thread is this comment from him:

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He knows this! He trained people!

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I mean, yes, I've trained a lot of folks...including fricking HRT dudes.

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Of course they did. Why do you think they came loaded for bear.

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Wasn't asking with respect to the agents buy to Truth that reported him. Did Truth expect this to happen to him when they reported it? This is tantamount to ordering his execution.

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Is this the "they should've rolled him up after church" talking point?

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Is this the “FBI rightfully has been empowered to serve as jury, judge and executioner” talking point?

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I support this action by Truth Social. Violence is not the answer

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I mean, sometimes it is, like when the colonies declared their right to pursue their own right to self government, but I agree. In this situation, it’s a futile effort, and counter productive, especially when a country is hell bent on destroying itself economically, not to mention morally and spiritually the likes of which the Roman Empire would wholeheartedly approve of.

I really honestly believe this union will end by means of self destruction, and it’s closer than we even know it is I’d say. Every bit of this is unsustainable, especially financially as we continue to promise money we do not have in circulation, add trillions upon trillions more to the unsurmountable debt we already have, the likes of which we can barely even make interest payments on, print more and more money, and drive inflation through the roof. There is a breaking point, and I’m afraid we are reaching it. Whether or not that’s by design or just plain irresponsible behavior is yet to be seen, but what is really scary will be what replaces it. That’s what people should be concerned over right now. It’s almost certain to be far more intrusive, controlling, and Marxist.

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I can assure you the officers and agents present did not expect this would turn into a shootout /\/\/\ This guy is full of sh*+. This ended exactly as planned.

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Yep. They anticipated shooting him, they looked forwards to shooting him. It’s all part of SWAT getting to play dress up and COSPLAY commando.

You can’t tell me a “US Marshall” or FBI Agents couldn’t formulate a plan to detain a disabled, obese 75 year old who needed a cane to walk.

They’d had him under surveillance, you simply wait until he’s waddling to his car to detain him.

Dude’s not carrying an AR-15 to his car, and he has one hand occupied holding the cane to keep from falling in his face.

Instead of using some common sense, they execute a pre-Dawn raid, the guys seen enough news coverage to know when they do that you’re likely dying.

So, they got their wish, killed a guy who supposedly had an “arsenal” of guns (whatever that is), and scored the daily double bonus of him being a white Trump supporter.