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re: People voted "against Trump"...Prove it

Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:05 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:05 pm to
You’re such a dogshit troll most if not all of your post ignores my prior responses in the conversation.

You aren’t interested in having any sort of actual discussion. Much like Jjdoc and GumboPot, your only aim is to stir shite.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 6:10 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:07 pm to
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Oh but buckeye assured us that they say precisely that.


Go look at the data. Until you do so, you're flying blind.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:08 pm to
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Much like Jjdoc


A lot like JjGoebbels...weird.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:11 pm to
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But—-The way certain states exploited the covid situation to massively increase mail-in voting without the established infrastructure required to do it securely and properly is what is bull shite.

But both parties were free to make their constituents aware of the opportunity to mail in ballots. One party did their homework; the other didn't.

The Democrat party has a larger base of apolitical people and/or too indifferent/lazy to make a real effort to vote. If these people can have their voices heard without much effort, you will never see a Republican POTUS again. The numbers aren't there.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9783 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:15 pm to
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And BTW, who told you there were "more votes?"




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Yet Trump got more votes than any previous candidate


Or are we not supposed to believe you?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:18 pm to
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But both parties were free to make their constituents aware of the opportunity to mail in ballots. One party did their homework; the other didn't.

That’s not where my issue is. My concern is that certain states, districts, voting precincts, etc., who did not previously utilize mail-in ballots, extra-legally (being generous) implemented mail-in ballots without the safeguards and structures required to ensure the security/integrity of those ballots.

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The Democrat party has a larger base of apolitical people and/or too indifferent/lazy to make a real effort to vote.

No one agrees with that more than I do.

The problem is that states like PA illegally allowed those people to suddenly vote en masse without changing the states voting system to secure that method.

No one will ever know if or how many illegal ballots were cast in 2020, because the places where it most probably occurred enacted vote by mail during the covid “just do it! Worry about consequences later” stage of 2020.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9783 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:20 pm to
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en masse


Excuse me. I need to correct you... It's "in mass".

IYKYK
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:22 pm to
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Will vote totals, number of Election Day votes, “bellweather” counties, number of total counties, who won OH/FL/IA, crowd size, who won how many counties, etc., ever be evidence of 2020 election fraud? Unequivocally no.
They are part of the equation, especially election day ballots. On this point, you are wrong.

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No fundamental issue there because those systems have been put in place deliberately over years and are equipped to handle it.
How in the world would you know such a thing? What does "equipped to handle it" even mean? The process was not conducted in a transparent manner. Votes were counted without observers present. Ballots were scanned numerous times. Ballots were harvested. Illegal Zucker boxes. No chain of custody. Illegitimate ballots. Ballot counters on video not following procedure. Pointless, state-run recounts of already problematic ballots. Signature matching problems. Clandestine, illegal USB drives. NONE of that is a problem with in person voting.

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But—-The way certain states exploited the covid situation to massively increase mail-in voting without the established infrastructure required to do it securely and properly is what is bullshite.
Agreed, which leads back to the question in the OP - how in the world would anyone know what percentage of people allegedly voted against Trump, as is often claimed to be a reason for Biden's win?

"Trump lost because so many people voted against him." Prove it.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:24 pm to
Well, I hope every state enacts mail-in ballots, and I hope they implement safeguards we all can agree on.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:24 pm to
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The pot of voters was significantly larger in the 2020 election
Who told you that? The government? Pollsters? Why do you believe them, especially in light of all the fraud that's been found?

What percentage of 81 mil was anti-Trump?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13520 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:25 pm to
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"Trump lost because so many people voted against him." Prove it.


Bunk did that on the first page, at least for Virginia. OP could have changed the headline to "women voted against Trump."
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:27 pm to
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How in the world would you know such a thing? What does "equipped to handle it" even mean? The process was not conducted in a transparent manner. Votes were counted without observers present. Ballots were scanned numerous times. Ballots were harvested. Illegal Zucker boxes. No chain of custody. Illegitimate ballots. Ballot counters on video not following procedure. Pointless, state-run recounts of already problematic ballots. Signature matching problems. Clandestine, illegal USB drives. NONE of that is a problem with in person voting.

The snip you responded to was addressing states that have been doing mail-in voting with zero issues or concerns for years, not states like PA, AZ, or GA that opened the floodgates with no preparation m in 2020, you fricking retard.

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Trump lost because so many people voted against him." Prove it.

No one can ever “prove” that, in the exact same way that you cannot prove that Donald Trump received even one single valid vote in 2020.
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:29 pm to
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how in the world would anyone know what percentage of people allegedly voted against Trump, as is often claimed to be a reason for Biden's win?


Data and reason.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:31 pm to
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You’re such a dogshit troll most if not all of your post ignores my prior responses in the conversation.

You aren’t interested in having any sort of actual discussion. Much like Jjdoc and GumboPot, your only aim is to stir shite
I've asked the same question repeatedly in this thread and the best attempt to answer it refers to exit polling, as if that proves that people voted against Trump. I've asked for the list of all exit polls that proves the anti-Trump vote. It has not been provided yet people will continue to parrot that nonsense. The other responses have been even more anemic. So, this thread proves the opposite of what you are saying.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:32 pm to
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"Trump lost because so many people voted against him." Prove it

Here's some extremely anecdotal evidence for you:
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Michael Cohen — “Guess what I did this morning…bright and early?” Trump ex-lawyer tweeted (spoiler: he voted for Biden).

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James Comey — “Vote for your country,” the former FBI director said in a tweet that included a photo of him wearing a Biden-Harris t-shirt. So, kind of the opposite of what he did 4 years ago.

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Miles Taylor — “Closing argument: 230,000+ American lives lost. Vote him out,” the author of the anonymous “resistance within the Trump White House” op-ed tweeted, referencing the number of people killed by COVID-19.

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Olivia Troye — “As a lifelong #Republican-for the 1st time ever in my voting life-#IVoted for a straight #Democratic ticket. Together-we can stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to destroy our country,” the former Homeland Security Official tweeted


LINK

Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9783 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Who told you that? The government? Pollsters? Why do you believe them, especially in light of all the fraud that's been found?

What percentage of 81 mil was anti-Trump?


2020 had more registered voters than at any other time in US history for a presidential election year.

What percentage... all of it? It certainly wasn't a vote for him.

You should probably do everyone a favor and define what "anti-Trump" means to you.
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Go look at the data
What data? The mind reading exit polling I've been asking you for? Where is it?

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you're flying blind
Says the person trying to use exit polling as proof of something
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154713 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:34 pm to
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they will always go with the uni-party.


Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:34 pm to
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I've asked the same question repeatedly in this thread and the best attempt to answer it refers to exit polling, as if that proves that people voted against Trump.

Given the fact that you were already aware that exit polling and official statistics were the only data that exists, I don’t buy your horseshite one bit. You aren’t asking legitimate questions that you want answered.

You’re asking fake questions so that you can argue about the responses.

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I've asked for the list of all exit polls that proves the anti-Trump vote. It has not been provided yet people will continue to parrot that nonsense

No, multiple people including me have explained to you how that determination is reached. You’re pretending like you don’t understand it.

Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 9/6/23 at 6:35 pm to
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One party did their homework; the other didn't
You mean like PA and WI, who had illegal mail-in ballots?

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The Democrat party has a larger base of apolitical people and/or too indifferent/lazy to make a real effort to vote. If these people can have their voices heard without much effort, you will never see a Republican POTUS again. The numbers aren't there
Amazing. You people honestly believe there are castles in the air. It's astonishing how easily some people can be manipulated
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