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re: Paul "Bear" Bryant was a racist
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:52 am to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:52 am to ThePTExperience1969
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My question is why'd you omit the fact Wilbur Jackson was a scholarship freshman(who was ineligible due to NCAA freshmen rules) when that famous USC-Alabama game that you featured so prominently occurred? Honest question.
Semantics. Pointing out flaws is the same as making an argument. How did I "feature it so prominently?" Honest question. I quoted an article about the game in question from prior posts to illustrate that in 1970 Alabama was still on ALL WHITE TEAM. I then immediately pointed out that Alabama had played 2 black players the prior year, who dominated them. Does that not poke a hole in the position that Sam Cunningham single-handedly conquered football segregation in the south?
Jackson was a freshman in 1970 that no one had ever heard of. Why had they never heard of him? Because he never played in a game and wasn't even considered to be on the team by anyone outside of the Tuscaloosa, as evidenced by every article about that USC game in which Alabama is referred to as "all white"
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Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:54 am to the_watcher
quote:
Pointing out flaws is the same as making an argument.
MAKING AN ARGUMENT is the same as making an argument, cmon work with me man this is basic elementary stuff
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:56 am to ChexMix
They will have to go through some of his former black players to do it.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 10:57 am to the_watcher
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Jackson was a freshman in 1970
Thank you.
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Because he never played in a game and wasn't even considered to be on the team by anyone outside of the Tuscaloosa,
Irrelevant. I even posted an article from the New York Times that said he was on the team.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:02 am to pvilleguru
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Irrelevant. I even posted an article from the New York Times that said he was on the team.
You mean the article written in 2012? How many people across the country in 1970 knew that Alabama had a black freshman football player who wasn't allowed to play? Did they look it up on the internet? Find out through twitter?
I listed several sources calling Alabama an "all white team" in 1970. Does that make your article irrelevant?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:03 am to ChexMix
quote:
Paul "Bear" Bryant was a racist
Do you remember when Pat Dye was caught on tape saying his black players couldn't date white girls?
I remember.
But I'm not aware of any Pat Dye statues.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:05 am to the_watcher
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How many people across the country in 1970 knew that Alabama had a black freshman football player who wasn't allowed to play?
Probably not many.
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I listed several sources calling Alabama an "all white team" in 1970. Does that make your article irrelevant?
Poor research in 1970 does not make an article in 2012 irrelevant.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:11 am to the_watcher
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Alabama had an all white football team in 1970. Which is exactly what I said. Was he not the first black player to play for Alabama in 1971? You are so bad at this.
And you're a liar.
Here's what you said:
"5 more teams added a black player before Alabama finally did in 1971.
Alabama ADDED a black player to their football program in the fall of 1970.
And then you went full retard.
"But I guess Bear Bryant just couldn't find any good black players for nearly 5 years (or 8 years if you want to count the time since it was "legal" because at the end of the 60's the US Department of Health, Education and Welfare began threatening to pull federal funding from schools not in compliance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
You do understand that recruiting is a two way street, right? Have you know fricking clue what the first AA players went through at many schools? Not every AA player who was good enough to play at Alabama or other similar schools was eager to take on that challenge.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:12 am to Seldom Seen
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But he had black football players.
Well he didnt say he was an idiot. He knew the black players were more athletic in most cases.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:20 am to BamaGradinTn
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And you're a liar.
Here's what you said:
"5 more teams added a black player before Alabama finally did in 1971.
Alabama ADDED a black player to their football program in the fall of 1970.
And then you went full retard.
This watcher dude's a chode, what makes whatever he says credible when he's cherrypicking facts to fit his argument i.e. FAKE NEWS?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:22 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:Holy crap his reaction would be the greatest. Someone please video this.
Yes, he should be brought down. SJWs should storm Nick Saban's office right now.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:22 am to the_watcher
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the_watcher
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I listed several sources calling Alabama an "all white team" in 1970.
Here's all the evidence we need about what a dumbass you've been on this topic.
These are quotes from the article YOU LINKED:
"Pat Dye worked on Bryant's Alabama staff from 1965-73. He helped land Wilbur Jackson, the first black football player to sign with Alabama. But Jackson wasn't the first black player Alabama recruited.
"We tried to recruit a number of black kids that we didn't get," Dye said."
"The truth is, Dye said, Alabama's early attempts to recruit black football players were hurt by the state's history and by Wallace's stand.
"I do know there might've been some resentment and some fear about coming to the University of Alabama based on the history of the school, not because of Coach Bryant," Dye said. "Governor Wallace did stand in the schoolhouse door there.""
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:33 am to boosiebadazz
quote:
I once fricked a black girl. Does that mean I get a statue?
It depends. Would her strap in be included on the statue?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:37 am to BamaGradinTn
You are so mad. Jesus Christ. How convenient for Pat Dye to say oh yea we tried but it didn't workout. This is the same Pat Dye caught on tape saying black players couldn't date white girls. Alabama couldn't recruit well but Kentucky and Tennessee could? They had 5 walk ons try but for whatever reason none of them made it to fall camp or were on the team during an actual season.
Furthermore, you arguing a technicality. You're essentially saying well technically we were less racist a year before everyone else actually thinks because even though our first black player in history to play in a game was 1971, we actually had a black player on the roster that no one knew about who couldnt play one year before that.
Furthermore, you arguing a technicality. You're essentially saying well technically we were less racist a year before everyone else actually thinks because even though our first black player in history to play in a game was 1971, we actually had a black player on the roster that no one knew about who couldnt play one year before that.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:38 am to FairhopeTider
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In 50 years when football is banned because of brain injuries, the SJW's of that time will call for his statue to be brought down because he risked players' health at places like Junction and presided over segregated football teams. They will say he was on the wrong side of history.
Is that scenario really that farfetched?
Yes, this will happen in 20 years.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:43 am to the_watcher
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Alabama couldn't recruit well but Kentucky and Tennessee could?
I don't remember the governors of Tennessee and Kentucky literally standing in the doorway preventing black students from enrolling.
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They had 5 walk ons try but for whatever reason none of them made it to fall camp or were on the team during an actual season.
I've posted the reason why 2 of the 5 didn't make it. Is it possible that the other 3 just weren't that good or quit? If they were any good, Bryant would have either given them a scholarship or helped them get a scholarship at another school.
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 11:45 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:48 am to the_watcher
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we were less racist a year before everyone else actually thinks
Thanks for showing your hand buddy, besides whoever said the University of Alabama was racist? If they were, they were basing it off one famous instance heavily reported in 1963 consisting of an infamous ex-segregationist governor that was immediately resolved on orders from President Kennedy. That's disingenuous to form such a broad opinion of "racist" based off simply that because everyone knows you don't make an argument with only one broad fact.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:54 am to tiggerthetooth
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You should apologize now and immediately begin child support payments.
FIFY
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:58 am to ThePTExperience1969
So the dude who keeps repeating over and over again I'm cherry picking facts to further my own view point just cherry picked one statement to further his own view point?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:59 am to the_watcher
I don't recall many other instances that would indicate the university was racist
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