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re: Patel suing The Atlantic

Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:21 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:21 pm to
That would entail knowingly publishing an outright falshood.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:23 pm to
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That would entail knowingly publishing an outright falshood.


Not necessarily. Again. Stick to whatever it is you do.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:35 pm to
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so long as the person publishing it did not knowingly publish a false hoo
They raced to publish it citing only ANONYMOUS SOURCES before Patel could respond, even though he said he'd run down dates and locations to specifically address the piece for the Atlantic.

Now as I've said, if Kash has been publicly drunk, or reasonably suspect of other Atlantic charges, the Atlantic should be free and clear. IDK what the truth is here. But Reuters' response sent up the antennas, big time.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:51 pm to
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stick to medical stuff


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It's been 64 years since a political public figure won a libel case
Trump sued ABC News and anchor George Stephanopoulos over a statement that he had been found liable for rape. ABC and Stephanopoulos settled for $15 million and issued a statement of regret.

Obviously you'd not consider that a win?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37399 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:16 pm to
I did and you know that proving libel for a public official is next to impossible given that the last case in NYT v. Sullivan where the Times was found libel in an Alabama Court and the Alabama Supreme Court was overturned by SCOTUS in 1964. And that was the last time anything close to a libel case was found in favor of a plaintiff against a press outlet.

You should read up on what constitutes malice and publishing an knowingly publishing an outright falsehood. Really you should stick to tax law, your not very good at other law Counselor, Read Sullivan and get back to me.
Posted by andwesway
Zachary, LA
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:20 pm to
This chode was in over his head before he got the job.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37399 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:35 pm to
Atlantic would be free and clear even if it were determined that Patel was in fact a teetotaler. He would have to prove that the author knew Patel was a teetotaler before the article was published. If the author found out a week later, Atlantic is in the clear.

However, in this case we have Patel chugging on a champagne bottle, so we know he is not, so that is a strike against his claim. Also their is rumor and talk in DC as reported in the press that Patel is alleged to be drunk on numerous occasions.

Patel probably should not fight this even if he wasn't drunk, because If he was day drunk even one time, he's a loser. If he was late to a meeting because he was hungover from the night before and the night before is corroborate, he's toast in a libel suit
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 6:37 pm to
That was a settlement, and Stephanopolous probably would have won if it indeed went to trial. In a libel case, the defendant is allowed to be wrong and even allowed to be guilty of misspeak.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37399 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:07 pm to
shite he may not want to be known about his personal behavior.....certainly nothing pertaining to his position as FBI Director as it applies to cases and official actions. But in terms of procedural admin stuff, if he opens the door in a counter, then the Atlantic can attempt to make his life miserable through discovery and interrogatories.......lawyers love Interrogatories, they are a lot of fun.

When I was practicing I would routinely send out 100 interrogatory questions just to see the response of the other side. If someone bitched or was too vague in their answer It was party time. You could be sure that I would send out a lot more , just for fun and if you did not answer I would call, and if you still refused to cooperate, I might even try a meeting with the judge assigned.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:09 pm to
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, if he opens the door in a counter, then the Atlantic can attempt to make his life miserable through discovery and interrogatories.......lawyers love Interrogatories, they are a lot of fun.


They go both ways.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:13 pm to
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Rebel says the Atlantic has to pay the full $250 million within 10 days of receiving the complaint


A nice preemptive attempt to get me not to mention your claim all lawsuits are settled for 5k.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12175 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:28 pm to
Place your bets on the outcome.

I say Patel doesn’t want to hand over documentation during discovery.
Patel ultimately doesn’t get a penny from The Atlantic for this lawsuit.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37399 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:29 pm to
Yes, but an individual has a lot more to lose . A media outlet really does not in discovery. You want to say that Ms.Jobs is a passive investor or even active investor, I'd willingly stipulate to that in a case like this, because I don't have to prove a damned thing. The plaintiff does. It's up to you to avoid having me impeach your position. You can question my motives, but if I don't knowingly present something I know to be false beforehand, I win in this situation. Fairness is relative because you as a plaintiff started this. I'm allowed to do any number of things, but mostly I would stay on the press shield end and let you go on a safari and dig your hole deeper
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59239 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:30 pm to
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I say Patel doesn’t want to hand over documentation during discovery.


Why? What documents do you think would be damaging to him? What is your basis for this belief?
Posted by AGGIES
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Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:31 pm to
I’ve heard that the article was sourced by something like two dozen people within the FBI.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59239 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:31 pm to
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When I was practicing I would routinely send out 100 interrogatory questions just to see the response of the other side.


If you actually practiced you would know these would be objected to.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59239 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:32 pm to
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just for fun and if you did not answer I would call, and if you still refused to cooperate, I might even try a meeting with the judge assigned.


What state do you claim to have practiced in? That isn’t the procedure. At all.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59239 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:32 pm to
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I’ve heard that the article was sourced by something like two dozen people within the FBI.


Name a single one
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12175 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:33 pm to
I think one of the claims was that he was not responding or didn’t show up one day and so they were worried and had to call bust down the door to see if he was ok.

Embarrassing stuff like that.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59239 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 7:34 pm to
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I did and you know that proving libel for a public official is next to impossible given that the last case in NYT v. Sullivan where the Times was found libel in an Alabama Court and the Alabama Supreme Court was overturned by SCOTUS in 1964. And that was the last time anything close to a libel case was found in favor of a plaintiff against a press outlet.


You should read up on the cardi B case from 2022. You are completely wrong that there hasn’t been a libel case won since 1964. Why did you lie about that? Or are you just scared to admit your complete ignorance???
This post was edited on 4/20/26 at 7:35 pm
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