re: Passing a law designating Islam as a political movement

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What about people who don't want to put your human sacrifice for the piece of shite God in there?

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It's not about what others want. It's what is most honoring to God.

Besides, you don't seem to care too much about all the people who think more like I do right now. You don't seem to anxious to try to change the Constitution to please me.

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frick those people right, what's important is that you get to push your religious views on everyone else.

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Everyone is trying to push their views on others. That's what politics is all about. You just really, really don't like my views.

Prove it

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I haven't been told to be obedient to anything except your fairytales. Like every marketer you make up a problem and then magically have the solution to offer.

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You have been told to be obedient. All mankind is under the law, and will be judged by it (and be found guilty), unless you trust that Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law on your behalf.

That's a risk you'll have to take, I suppose, but eternity is a long time. At least you can't stand before God and plead ignorance. You've heard what's required of you, and you won't have anything to say before your maker except you are guilty.

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God lies then.

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He can't lie.

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And what you are saying is he plans for billions of people to burn in hell for all eternity. 2000+ years later and the bible hasn't accomplished shite.

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The Bible is the source for spiritual truth. Billions of people have been saved by faith in the truth that it reveals.

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What you are really saying is - you refuse to accept any new revelation should it exist because your dogma doesn't allow for it.

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God can't lie and He has given revelation through the prophets and the apostles and through His Son, Jesus Christ. The prophets and apostles are dead, and the story of redemption is complete, so there is no need for additional revelation.

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I didn't inherit anything from your fictional characters of people who never existed.

I don't know why you think people are just supposed to up and take your claims as fact. But you're saying not only am I responsible for the sins of my father, but I'm also responsible for the sins of someone thousands of years ago.

And I'm going to burn in hell for it - by design of God.

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I don't think you are understanding. If you turn from your sins and put your trust in Jesus, who died for the sins of people like you and me, then you will be forgiven and you won't burn in Hell at all. That's the point. Your guilt is real. You cannot do enough good things to overcome the wickedness that you've already performed in your life. You cannot escape judgement by ending your life, either. The only hope is through Jesus, and there is great hope in Him.

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A free gift that is only available to a small % of the people on earth, and everyone else is fricking and going to burn in hell forever and ever?

And in order to receive this "free" gift, I have to pretend a bunch of stupid crap that obviously isn't true and worship human sacrifice.

That's not free, it's a marketing lie.

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A free gift that is available to billions of people. Right here and right now. There are Christian missionaries sharing these truths with the lost all over the world, and have been for 2,000 years. You are actively fighting against it and then complaining that it's not enough. You are saying the King isn't real and has no authority to pardon criminals, while complaining that he doesn't pardon all criminals. That's not how it works.

You reject the free gift of eternal life because you think it's stupid. That's your choice, but you will not escape judgement if you do not choose life.

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It doesn't contain truth, it's full of lies -by God himself.

And you aren't offering nothing for free you're just a marketer.

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If you had cancer and someone offered you a cure for free, then you are the stupid person for turning it down. Calling it a marketing ploy to promote lies does not change the truth that you are a sinner. According to God's standard, you are a liar, a blasphemer, a murder, a thief, and an adulterer, and you deserve judgement for that. You are refusing the free offer of pardon. You have no reason to say God is unjust or unmerciful just because you reject His mercy.

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There is no proof God offered anything. Nor is there any proof of this debt you claim I own. It's all made up shite for stupid people like you. You are a marketer trying to sell people bullshite.

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God's word is proof. You can reject it all you want as not being persuasive, but it doesn't change that it is true. You sound absolutely bitter. I can feel the hatred you have in your heart through your words.

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Your god is no Holy at all. You have laid that out plain as day. Making people burn in hell for all eternity by design is not holy.

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If they wanted to sin and they deserve the consequences, then it's perfectly just. I did lay it all out for you. You refuse to see that mankind is guilty before God and deserves the wages of sin.

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And the supposed remedy to this is human sacrifice.

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No, a God-man sacrifice. A mere man cannot pay the infinite debt sin owes. It's why the payment had to be God and man. And yes, death was the payment, because death is the penalty for the crimes we commit.

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And I'm pretty sure I can't kill my neighbor and then tell the judge - that guy paid for my theft, so I'm free to go. You talk about people being responsible for their actions - unless they sacrifice a human to pay it for them.

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No, you can't murder anyone and then claim your action was necessary for paying off the theft. But that's not what happened with Jesus, either. He gave up His life freely, and His life was of infinite worth to God. He made restitution that you can't make.

Think about it like this: if you got fined for a speeding ticket, someone else could come in and pay that fine for you. Jesus paid the fine.

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That's fricking evil. That's not holy, your God is not good. Your God is a piece of shite and is the one who belongs in hell.

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Again, you have no rational basis for calling anything "evil" at all. All you have is your opinions, according to your own atheistic worldview. I don't care about your opinions; they are absolutely meaningless outside of your own brain.

Second, God is holy, and you are wicked. He will justly destroy you forever according to the punishment you are due for your sin against an infinite holy and righteous God if you do not apologize to your creator for your rebellion against Him and accept the payment for your sins through Jesus Christ. You can bury your head in the sand all you want and try to justify it by saying God is a big meanie, but you can't escape what is coming unless you escape through Jesus.

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It's not about what others want. It's what is most honoring to God.

Besides, you don't seem to care too much about all the people who think more like I do right now. You don't seem to anxious to try to change the Constitution to please me.

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No, it's about the bullshite you claim is "most honoring to God".

In reality it's just you trying to force your fairytale on others.

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Everyone is trying to push their views on others. That's what politics is all about. You just really, really don't like my views.

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Wrong. I don't have to like your views to defend your right to them.

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You have been told to be obedient. All mankind is under the law, and will be judged by it (and be found guilty), unless you trust that Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law on your behalf.

That's a risk you'll have to take, I suppose, but eternity is a long time. At least you can't stand before God and plead ignorance. You've heard what's required of you, and you won't have anything to say before your maker except you are guilty.

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This is just all shite that is made up and you're just trying to manipulate me/people through fear.

And the idea you are saved from these things while others aren't because you believe in a human sacrifice 2000 years ago is just straight up evil.

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He can't lie.

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He lies multiple times in the bible. All things are possible for God except to lie?

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The Bible is the source for spiritual truth. Billions of people have been saved by faith in the truth that it reveals.

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No, it's not and no they haven't. The amount of people who fall for a scam has nothing to do with the rest.

You have no spiritual truth at all. All you know to do is repeat a book you've accepted as authority. And then you try to manipulate and demand that everyone else accepts the same book as the authority.

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God can't lie and He has given revelation through the prophets and the apostles and through His Son, Jesus Christ. The prophets and apostles are dead, and the story of redemption is complete, so there is no need for additional revelation.

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He does lie multiple times in the bible, and this is just more dogma.

Besides, what is the point in him going to get cigarettes and the promise of returning one day if it was complete?

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I don't think you are understanding. If you turn from your sins and put your trust in Jesus, who died for the sins of people like you and me, then you will be forgiven and you won't burn in Hell at all. That's the point. Your guilt is real. You cannot do enough good things to overcome the wickedness that you've already performed in your life. You cannot escape judgement by ending your life, either. The only hope is through Jesus, and there is great hope in Him.

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Oh, I have way more understanding than you could possibly imagine.

This is all just more baseless claims and dogma and suggests that God makes people just so he can torture them. He knows what they are going to do before he creates them, he does it anyway, and then he punishes them for his actions. That is your claim.

It's just ridiculous dogma.

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A free gift that is available to billions of people. Right here and right now. There are Christian missionaries sharing these truths with the lost all over the world, and have been for 2,000 years. You are actively fighting against it and then complaining that it's not enough. You are saying the King isn't real and has no authority to pardon criminals, while complaining that he doesn't pardon all criminals. That's not how it works.

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It's not a free gift. A free gift means I have to do nothing. You expect me to adopt a doctrine of dogma and fantasy based on the claims of a collection of books that not only constantly contradict each other, but are basically fricking evil.

And all you can do is make excuses for it and again, tell people they must accept your dogma.

I'm not claiming it's not enough, I'm claiming you are full of shite and selling a fairy tale.

Furthermore, I'm saying you don't know shite about God. You know a book that claims to be about God. That is much different than knowing God. And you'll never find God either because you don't even know where to look.

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You reject the free gift of eternal life because you think it's stupid. That's your choice, but you will not escape judgement if you do not choose life

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I am that I am.

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If you had cancer and someone offered you a cure for free, then you are the stupid person for turning it down. Calling it a marketing ploy to promote lies does not change the truth that you are a sinner. According to God's standard, you are a liar, a blasphemer, a murder, a thief, and an adulterer, and you deserve judgement for that. You are refusing the free offer of pardon. You have no reason to say God is unjust or unmerciful just because you reject His mercy.

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There are a million people out there claiming to have the free cure for cancer, if you are dumb enough to believe it.

And it's not God's standard; it's your standard based on a book which you claim is of God.

Why does your free gift come with a requirement of me? That's not free. In fact, you're asking me to turn my back on God. Just accept this idol and replacement of God!

And once again you're telling me God creates billions and billions of people just so he can torture them for all of eternity. It's all a bunch of horseshite. You don't know God, you wouldn't' make those kinds of claims and lies if you did.

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God's word is proof. You can reject it all you want as not being persuasive, but it doesn't change that it is true. You sound absolutely bitter. I can feel the hatred you have in your heart through your words.

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The bible is not God's word. Once again this is just dogma.

It is my duty to hate evil.

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If they wanted to sin and they deserve the consequences, then it's perfectly just. I did lay it all out for you. You refuse to see that mankind is guilty before God and deserves the wages of sin.

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You previously claimed they were born with sin. And God created them knowing damn good and well what they would do. And yet you tell me it's their fault, not their creators who apparently specifically created them so he could torture them later for eternity. Not a matter of punished for the purpose of learning, but just plain torture with no end.

And yet none of that matters so long as they subscribe to this book and worship the human sacrifice.

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No, a God-man sacrifice. A mere man cannot pay the infinite debt sin owes. It's why the payment had to be God and man. And yes, death was the payment, because death is the penalty for the crimes we commit.

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So god had to kill himself in order to forgive other people. And only those people who believe he did it? What he did isn't all that important really, but you must believe in that sacrifice.



Do you not see how fricking ridiculous that sounds?

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No, you can't murder anyone and then claim your action was necessary for paying off the theft. But that's not what happened with Jesus, either. He gave up His life freely, and His life was of infinite worth to God. He made restitution that you can't make.

Think about it like this: if you got fined for a speeding ticket, someone else could come in and pay that fine for you. Jesus paid the fine.

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My neighbor said he was also dying for me before I killed him...wink wink.

Everyone dies.

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Again, you have no rational basis for calling anything "evil" at all. All you have is your opinions, according to your own atheistic worldview. I don't care about your opinions; they are absolutely meaningless outside of your own brain.

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I'm not even close to be atheist. I have understanding well beyond yours, I am merely entertaining your ignorance.

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Second, God is holy, and you are wicked. He will justly destroy you forever according to the punishment you are due for your sin against an infinite holy and righteous God if you do not apologize to your creator for your rebellion against Him and accept the payment for your sins through Jesus Christ. You can bury your head in the sand all you want and try to justify it by saying God is a big meanie, but you can't escape what is coming unless you escape through Jesus.

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Your God is not holy.

And what you are asking me to actually do is bow down your religion and beliefs while trying to manipulate me with fear by claiming you speak for God.

The truth is, you don't know shite about God.

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Packing it with people on their side, which includes Muslims and progressive retards.

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Yeah, so if we're going to include non-Mooslims and assume that they are going to rule in Mooslim's favor, then passing a law designating Islam as a political movement does no good, does it?

They'll just change the law, right?

So this whole exercise is moot.

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Your reading comprehension must be stuck on "denial" because you seem to have missed the multitude of times where I explicitly stated that those aren't the options I provide, but rather the only options Islam provides.

Speaking of things I've consistently said over and over, I've also given you the opportunity to prove there is a third option which has been proven to work. Thus far, you still haven't done so.

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Once again, the 3rd option is the 1st amendment.

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This time I bolded and underlined that part for you since you seem to gloss over it each time. You're welcome.

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What history has shown is why we have the 1st amendment to begin with, of which has worked perfectly fine and has proven to work for over 200 years.

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You confuse correlation with causation. Muslims did not move en masse into the West until the 1990s and then sped up in the latter 2000s and into the 2010s (thanks, Obama) when we imported a ton of them here and they invaded Europe. In other words, they simply did not have the numbers to begin getting into political positions until relatively recently.

In the last 25 years we've gone from no US cities having Islamic daily prayer calls being publicly broadcast in the city to now there being a handful of them. In the last 20 years we've gone from there never having been a single Muslim member of Congress (in either chamber) to there now being four. Hell, there wasn't even a Muslim mayor in any US city until 1991.

You're acting as if this has been going on since the country was founded, when the truth is that it's only just starting.

So, again, I'm waiting for you to provide a 3rd option which has actually worked.

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It doesn't matter what the religion is, the 1st amendment protects against it, and it also protects it.

Our entire country was founded with the goal of fighting it. The solution already exists. But based on this paragraph I can see why you want to get rid of the 1st amendment. You just want to impose your religion on people. frick off.

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I'd read your posts in other threads, and I knew you were someone stuck in dogma. That is what you call a foundation of reason, blind acceptance

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Foo isn’t a threat to you or me. Muslims are.

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Assume? They are clearly aligned now.

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Then what good would the thread proposal do? Connect the dots for me.

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Exactly why big moves need to be made sooner rather than later.

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How is it a "big move" based on your assumptions? How would it prevent what you seem to think it would prevent?

Democrats will have power again. Maybe even in 2028.

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Together, they will destroy our nation, and you don’t seem to mind at all.

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Change the word "nation" to "planet" and you sound just like a Climate Activist. I don't support useless nonsense like carbon credits and correctly ascertain that the US accounts for maybe 5% of greenhouse gasses globally and the largest polluters are uncooperative, so I "don't care."

Explain how the proposal would prevent anything and maybe I will start caring about it (not about the loss of our nation, the proposal).

I'm convinced that the populism that has overtaken society is what's going to destroy the country, and this thread is a stellar example of just what it will look like along the way.

I'm here posting against it every day...what are you doing? Our nation is circling the drain and you don't seem to care at all!