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re: Palestine protestors are being ARRESTED and led out of Columbia University in handcuffs
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:21 am to Bunk Moreland
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The right has definitely done a 180 on free speech this year.
Being against foreigners terrorizing Americans for their religious choice and promoting genocide while a guest on US soil is not even close to chilling free speech. Not even in the realm.
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:25 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Good. frick them
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:32 am to Bunk Moreland
quote:That's quite a narrow perspective.
The right has definitely done a 180 on free speech this year.
In fact, the campuses involved have been notoriously anti-free-speech for years. Were that not the case, given cogent counterpoints which would have flourished, it's VERY doubtful these antisemitic bigot rioters would have gained any traction at all.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:38 am to NC_Tigah
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In fact, the campuses involved have been notoriously anti-free-speech for years.
Would you call arresting protesters being pro-free speech?
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antisemitic bigot rioters
I would love to see the language you used to describe the manic Trump rioters on January 6. I have a feeling that "patriot" was part of it.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:57 am to OceanMan
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Sorry are you saying this is indeed different?
It's different because Trump says this is different, and the board overwhelmingly parrots what that 80 year old politician says at any given moment.
quote:If they were treated unfairly, then these people are also being treated unfairly. There's no continuity here. An election Trump loses was stolen, but an election Trump wins is totally valid and should not be questioned. The J6 rioters were just taking a stroll through the capitol but these people are terrorizing Jews for trying to practice their religion in a room in the library.
Or that Jan 6 protestors were treated unfairly?
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My opinion is that this is quite different, primarily because these people are being arrested from the space they are occupying, not after the fact.
Khalil was arrested after the fact, do you oppose his detention? The overwhelming majority of people in jails and prisons were arrested after they committed their crimes - do you oppose their arrests?
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Being arrested for not leaving a certain place is not the same as getting arrested for the opinions you hold.
Were J6 rioters charged with holding an opinion? I'm pretty sure their charges included offenses like assaulting police, impeding law enforcement, and obstructing an official proceeding.
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this is a privately owned building owned by the University which has absolutely nothing to do with subject of the protest.
How does this matter? Are people allowed to destroy public spaces with impunity?
quote:Are you suggesting that extra security is warranted when a group of Trump fans gathers? Why? Do they not know how to behave?
On the other hand, US Congress leaders refused to have extra security at the protest.
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So again, what the hell is your point?
Very obviously my point is that Trump supporters are massive crybaby hypocrites. You sycophants want exceptions made for your bad behavior while demanding people who disagree with your master be arrested and sent to foreign lands.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:00 am to 4cubbies
quote:Well by all means check. Address of your "feeling" is a mere site search away. Geaux for it.
I have a feeling that "patriot" was part of it.
quote:Would I call arresting protesters being pro-free speech?
Would you call arresting protesters being pro-free speech?
In some circumstances, absolutely.
In fact, it's not even debatable.
In other circumstances, it's a mere extension of the same campus anti-speech policies which opened doors for the protests in the first place.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:15 am to 4cubbies
We could stop letting in these third world college age students that hate America.
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:19 am to roadGator
They are criminally trespassing. They should be arrested at a minimum.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:22 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
they need to fumigate the building now.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:29 am to 4cubbies
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Would you call arresting protesters being pro-free speech?
1) Ask Riley Gaines about her ability to protest on a college campus, strictly based on her opinion alone.
2) Why do you assume the protestors were arrested for their opinion?
From the Columbia Spectator - a quote that DIRECTLY addresses question number 2:
“At the direct request of Columbia University, the NYPD is responding to an ongoing situation on campus where individuals have occupied a library and are trespassing,” a statement posted by the NYPD X account read.
Columbia's Authorization of NYPD Sweep
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:33 am to NC_Tigah
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I have a feeling that "patriot" was part of it.
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Well by all means check. Address of your "feeling" is a mere site search away. Geaux for it.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:46 am to 4cubbies
quote:No.
these people are terrorizing Jews for trying to practice their religion in a room in the library.
They are terrorizing Jews in the US basically for the reasons Nazis did 90 yrs ago, which I'd think would give one a hard pause prior to defending their anti-semitic behavior.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:22 am to 4cubbies
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It's different because Trump says this is different, and the board overwhelmingly parrots what that 80 year old politician says at any given moment.
With this being your opening, I shouldn’t respond further, but still going to because you whiff so badly.
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If they were treated unfairly, then these people are also being treated unfairly.
So you are equating the situations, I think they are different.
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these people are terrorizing Jews for trying to practice their religion in a room in the library.
I don’t know what they are doing. I know that the university called the cops on them.
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Khalil was arrested after the fact, do you oppose his detention? The overwhelming majority of people in jails and prisons were arrested after they committed their crimes - do you oppose their arrests?
I said these situations are different, not opposites.
Try to keep up, if you are trying to say these things are the same because they are protests, I’m suggesting why the protests are different and why the treatment of those arrested and public reaction are different
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Were J6 rioters charged with holding an opinion?
You are the one that suggested that they are being arrested because of their opinion, which you then linked to J6. Are you starting to see that you are the one taking all the hyperbolic positions?
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How does this matter? Are people allowed to destroy public spaces with impunity?
Please stop assuming that I think this is the same as J6, that is your position. And it matters because it is private property, and these people got arrested because the property owner called the cops to deal with them when they could not. That is not the same fact pattern as J6.
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Are you suggesting that extra security is warranted when a group of Trump fans gathers? Why? Do they not know how to behave?
I’m saying it’s warranted when the owner of the property requests it in order to protect their rights to using it. That happened here and affected the outcome. It specifically didn’t happen at J6, which is well documented.
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Very obviously my point is that Trump supporters are massive crybaby hypocrites.
And my point is that your logical basis is completely flawed and you are coming off as very emotional and angry about something that has very little to do with Trump, or his supporters.
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You sycophants want exceptions made for your bad behavior while demanding people who disagree with your master be arrested and sent to foreign lands.
Yikes, I’m sorry you are so angry, but will note that those foreign lands are not foreign to the foreigners - presumably, it’s their home.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care much about this, or any of these people’s political beliefs. I’d much rather them be free and have people like you be more sympathetic or otherwise rationalize or even understand what happened on J6 than to galvanize the political divide by celebrating this.
But I’m not the one that can’t be reasoned with, because you don’t even understand that you have documented a position that either excuses J6 protestors, or is pure emotional rage that links two different things together specifically to lash out at the group that your perceive to be your political opposition.
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