re: Our President wants you to know that our planes have become too complicated

So his point is that Boeing is at fault? That seems like a lousy thing to rush to say when we are fighting a trade war with China (and really Europe also). He should STFU and learn something.

And that's on top of the fact that planes are infinitely safer than they have ever been.

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As a former aero engineer, he ain't wrong.

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What exactly is he "right" about? Planes are safer than they'v ever been - despite becoming evidently too "complicated". Is he asserting that the humans have just done a remarkable job of stretching themselves to keep up with this complication?

Much more likely is he is full of shite.

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Yep, he's the stable genius alright.

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Right idea. Wrong end of the horse, though.

Ignorant statement by Feith. At this point in the investigations no one knows what automation was engaged or not in either the Atlas or Ethiopian crashes.

I agree that there are times a pilot is not getting the aircraft’s auto flight and nav systems to do what they intend. But if it’s happening frequently then I’d say the issue is the pilot’s training and experience are insufficient for the level of aircraft he/she is operating.

And I know of no aircraft - general, commercial or military - where one cannot instantly cut off the autopilot and hand fly.

But precisely hand-flying a complex high performance jet in a busy airspace is a demanding skill set. Skill levels most certainly vary across the world’s commercial operators.

In the US our commercial pilots are very capable of operating the 737 NGs and MAXs safely and proficiently. The same has been proven to not be as true for Lion. And since we have no Idea what happened in the Ethiopian crash we’ll have to wait and see. I do know the First Officer in the Ethiopian incident only had around 200 flight hours...far far less than any US operator would employ, and not even close to the 1500 hours minimum to hold a US FAA ATP certificate.

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Wait till drive-by-wire cars become mainstream and those things are driving people off cliffs.

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Or autonomous cars. Somebody hacks in and tell every other car "Left turn Clyde!"

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As a former aero engineer, he ain't wrong.

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I like all these jerkoffs downvoting pilots and aviation type people.

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This post right here is the perfect example of how this board if filled with people who have absolutely zero knowledge on a subject yet they don't know anything.

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Those engines do nothing at all detrimental to those planes.

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To provide adequate ground clearance when mounting the larger engines on the 737, they were mounted higher and moved further forward, they were also heavier than the engines the plane was originally designed for. This caused a shift in the planes center of gravity and altered the airflow over the wing. During flight testing it was revealed the new engines caused the plane to pitch up in certain conditions.

In other words converting to the bigger engines was "detrimental" to this plane, and as the previous posted has said resulted in the addition of the MCAS system to automatically pitch the nose of the plane down when excessive angle of attack was detected.


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Computer error is far less frequent than human error, and our air travel has never been safer because of it. Trump badly misses the mark here.

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There's a balance.

Airbus A320 Test Flight Crashes With Test Pilot On Board

That balance is out of balance.

"The preliminary report into the Oct. 29 of a Lion Air Boeing 737 MAX 8 crash confirms that the pilots struggled with the automatic trim as it responded to faulty inputs"

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Same thing likely brought down the Ethopian 737 MAX a few days ago.

of course he would believe the safest form of travel is complicated and dangerous.

I'm not surprised that this is too complex for him to understand.