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re: Our government has gone so off-track, I pause and listen to what the Russians have to say

Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:17 pm to
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we had the same reaction when they tried to do the same in Cuba


The US still considers Cuba to be a terrorist nation.
Posted by Figureitoutfboy
Member since May 2023
62 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:17 pm to
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Yes, we put guns to the Russians' heads and said invade or we will kill you.

In other news, America has decided to make Mexico the next 10 states because the Russians support their leftist government and we need to save the English speaking mormons from the nazi cartels.

We were forced


Damn you're gullible.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:18 pm to
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we also spent the better part of 6 years (maybe longer) pushing ridiculous propaganda about Russia, the Trump Russia nonsense, blaming them for election interference, etc…

Then when Trump was pushed out via stolen election; we start beating war drums and pushing to expand the NATO umbrella

We backed them into a corner and acted surprised when they reacted

We also blew up their pipe line and are now assisting in targeting sites in their country

We’ve been fricking around, I hope we scale this horse shite back before we find out


So the best you can come up with a reason to invade and kill people is mean tweets? I mean frick, you think we offended them so much with our mean words and not electing a more friendly candidate our president that we forced them to kill a frickload of people?

The pipeline btw. 6 months AFTER they invaded so a bit hard to use that as a reason for war.

Lol, this reasoning is like the dude who beats his wife because he gets yelled at by customers during work.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:19 pm to
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What action did we take that forced Russia to roll tanks into Ukraine lob missiles killing women and children, and artillery strike entire cities to rubble?


When it comes to regime change, Putin is a toddler compared to the CIA.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:21 pm to
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The US still considers Cuba to be a terrorist nation.


Wasn't for about 6 years there. Trump ended up putting them back on the list when they wouldn't extradite the ELN bombers back to Columbia.

This post was edited on 9/25/23 at 8:22 pm
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:23 pm to
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When it comes to regime change, Putin is a toddler compared to the CIA.


The CIA and KGB were pretty heinous back in the day. It was nice for a period after the cold war ended that most of that shite stopped.

What Putin lacks in finesse though he more than makes up for in sheer brutality.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3289 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:23 pm to
FFS.

What does he say about shelling apartment complexes and kidnapping and trafficking Ukraine children?



He doesn't have to say it, but I can/will...

You're a propagandized, brainwashed, fool.


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Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92684 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:23 pm to
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I’ve been assured by you Groomers that such a thing as child trafficking doesn’t exist and it’s just “Qanon conspiracy theory”.


Zing
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
31572 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:25 pm to
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So the best you can come up with a reason to invade and kill people is mean tweets? I mean frick, you think we offended them so much with our mean words and not electing a more friendly candidate our president that we forced them to kill a frickload of people?
devoting the lions share of our media resources to eviscerate them, then watching those that did come into power and push for new international borders that threaten their security is a damn site more than “mean tweets”

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The pipeline btw. 6 months AFTER they invaded so a bit hard to use that as a reason for war.
not an example of why they went to war, but a great example of the USA being the bad guys; why did we lie about it if we were not in the wrong?

We are not supposed to be actually involved, but we are

Why do so many people cheer for WWIII???
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:27 pm to
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So I'll ask again, what did we do that required Russia to invade a sovereign nation?


Imagine if you will this scenario: Texas gains its independence from the US. China then begins to influence the new regime to align with other BRICS nations, while at the same time courting Mexico and Canada to do the same. Is the US going to sit still and let it happen?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41814 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:28 pm to
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Cuba is probably the most accurate comparison


We didn’t squeeze Russia regarding Cuba until they were ready to put nukes there.
Nothing of the sort was going down in Ukraine.

Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:29 pm to
What Russia says is not all that inaccurate but they are also shitheads themselves. This isn’t good vs evil. It’s evil vs tad more evil
Posted by Ernaye
Member since Oct 2018
312 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:29 pm to
How old are you, you have to be young to be this stupid?
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:32 pm to
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mean tweet?

Wow - this would NEVER have escalated like this with Trump n office - hell the main reason Trump is so hated is that he stayed the wars that allowed the great grifts

You’ve just outed yourself as a moron


What Trump may or may not have done is just a guess, but we can look at what he did do during his time in office. Dumb shite like saying it would never happen under Trump is just moronic, it was happening with Trump in office just not with as much intensity.

If Trump wanted to resolve this matter, he had 4 years between 2016 and 2020 when they were shelling each other. Instead he just kicked the can down the road.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:34 pm to
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We didn’t squeeze Russia regarding Cuba until they were ready to put nukes there.
Nothing of the sort was going down in Ukraine.


We never really squeezed Cuba, but the Bay of Pigs preceded the Cuban missile crisis. We definitely tried to support a coup, but definitely nowhere near a full scale invasion and incorporation like in Ukraine today.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:36 pm to
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How old are you, you have to be young to be this stupid?


You're free to rebut a specific point, but if you just want to toss general insults I'll happily tell you to go frick yourself kiddo.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17548 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:36 pm to
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invading anyone they don't like,


Iraq and Afghanistan
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41814 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:38 pm to
Did the Russian go into detail as to why Russia invaded Chesnya? Georgia? The Donbas? Crimea?

Were all four invasions were the result of the red line being crossed? What excuse is there?

I won’t even go back farther and ask what ref line was crossed when they invaded Poland, or when they directly aided N Korea and killed Americans. You guys will day that was way back when and those bad Russians are gone.

I don’t buy it Russia is s combative nation and fights wars against her neighbors all the time.
Any intelligent leader in Europe would be a fool not to get their nation in NATO.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
17856 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:39 pm to
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Yes, we put guns to the Russians' heads......


Reminds me of FDR and the Tokyo blockade. No gun was put to the heads of the Japanese eirther. NATO is now in Russia's back yard after the US and NATO promised not one inch eastward in 1990. Maybe, there are those who would love to see the great conflict between Russia and USA in order to take advantage of the US Russia post war weaknesses after such conflict.

Wonder who wants to see a weakened US and Russia simultaneously? Who holds that grudge?
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:43 pm to
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Imagine if you will this scenario: Texas gains its independence from the US. China then begins to influence the new regime to align with other BRICS nations, while at the same time courting Mexico and Canada to do the same. Is the US going to sit still and let it happen? ?


I'm sure we would try to influence then as their major trade partners, but if Texas, Canada, and Mexico voted in China friendly governments, we aren't rolling tanks into Austin (as much as that shithole city needs to be bombed).

I honestly can't think of any scenario where the US invades into a neighbor and claim their land.

There's literally no justification outside of an imminent threat to Russia. Just having a government that's not friendly isn't a good enough reason. Hell Russia has a border with Finland for decades, which as far as grudges has a pretty damn big one with them.
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