re: Only empires are indivisible.

Fight better. Don't start a fight if you can't win it.

Anyone who thinks the South was fighting for slavery is absolutely ignorant. The Corwin Amendment and common sense disprove that accusation as the vast majority of those who fought for the CSA did not own slaves. What you got is pretended moral highground where a bunch of Yanks road down to Dixie on horses and freed a bunch of slaves. Nothing could be further from the truth and that pretended moral highground is the same pretended moral highground we see from the left today. It is not moral,it is immoral and tyrannical.


Yankee soldier to Confederate
"Why do we Yanks fight for honor and you rebs fight for liberty?"

Confederate soldier
"I suppose we are fighting for what we both lack the most."

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Anyone who thinks the South was fighting for slavery is absolutely ignorant.

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Why did multiple Articles of Secession mention slavery directly? Should I ignore the words of the governments of those states?

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The Corwin Amendment and common sense disprove that accusation as the vast majority of those who fought for the CSA did not own slaves

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Great, but that doesn't change the fact that the entire political economy of the South was based on the labor pool provided by slavery. That the average Confederate solider may not have owned slaves isn't a meaningful distinction. The people who controlled the CSA's policy definitely did own slaves.

Don't read what they wrote... don't believe it, even though they said it....at the time. It was about tariffs don't you know. Someone was upset about taxation, with representation.

If only that 3/5 of a person could be elevated to say....4/5ths.

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We are under the judgment of GOD and rightfully so for all the evil we have not only endorsed but celebrated.

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So slavery was cool, but the Civil War was where God starts judgement? Of all the takes I've seen on this board, thats definitely one of them.

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Regardless whether or not you, or I, are correct in our debate here the fact remains that the USA ceased being a Constitutional Republic in 1865 and became an Empire.

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Lol. I'm begging you to read a book and/or stop being so fricking naïve.

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The founding documents of the USA were supposed to limit government tyranny and not establish it.

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Great, but power and how to use it have been the same for human relations since at least the post-Neolithic era. The US was explicitly expansionist from its inception. You don't want to discuss that because it would dissolve your perfect notion of how the US was established. In practice, the US has had the same goals of every other nation, because the US operates in the same anarchic geopolitical world as every other nation. That informs far more about US actions than supposed appeals to some vague ideals.

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Without a proper understanding of what the war of Northern aggression was about then you will not understand why things are happening the way they are today. As you clearly don't.

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Do you subscribe to the historical view that we shouldn't hold grudges about who conquered who hundreds of years ago?

If not, you might need to move as it's possible you're on Native American land.

You must be a synergist.

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Don't start a fight if you can't win it.

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Plot twist, all current day Americans are losers thanks to the North now.