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re: One in the chamber or not?
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:18 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:18 am to HubbaBubba
I agree with your instructor to practice drawing the weapon without a round in the chamber. If you can keep your finger off the trigger until it is time to shoot you will be fine.
Many people shoot themselves when drawing. In a bad situation, with adrenaline flowing your finger gets on the trigger too soon. It should be touching the top of the slide until the pistol is completely away from your body.
If you remember the 3 most important things about firearms you will be fine with one in the chamber.
1. Never point at something you dont intend to shoot.
2. Always know what is beyond your are ready to shoot.
3. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot (target found in your sights). This takes time and alot of practice.
You should also practice drawing, especially in awkward positions... seated, in the car with a seat belt on... until you are comfortable knowing your booger picker will stay off the trigger until the correct time.
Many people shoot themselves when drawing. In a bad situation, with adrenaline flowing your finger gets on the trigger too soon. It should be touching the top of the slide until the pistol is completely away from your body.
If you remember the 3 most important things about firearms you will be fine with one in the chamber.
1. Never point at something you dont intend to shoot.
2. Always know what is beyond your are ready to shoot.
3. Finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot (target found in your sights). This takes time and alot of practice.
You should also practice drawing, especially in awkward positions... seated, in the car with a seat belt on... until you are comfortable knowing your booger picker will stay off the trigger until the correct time.
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Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:32 am to Bazzatcha
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i don't keep one in the chamber, for the same reasons you are questioning the practice of doing so. my buddies think like your instructor and give me the same shite this board will give us but I do what I feel most comfortable with and could care less what others think. Guns are no joke and if you are worried about a live round going off then you are better off not keeping a live round ready to go.
I agree with you. Definitely want it more accessible, but under normal circumstances, I do not keep a round chambered. I’ve got three kids in the house. The big two know to stay away from my guns (though I take my oldest shooting from time to time), but you never know when curiosity will get the better of them. It’s not worth that risk as 99% of the time, I absolutely don’t need it anyway. That said, when you’re traveling or if you’re going into an area where you know that crime is a bigger issue or where you are just uncomfortable, chamber one and keep it that way until you’re back home or to a safer area. In my car, I stick mine in my glove box of our center console. If I know I’m going through any area that would be considered rough, I chamber one. I’m playing the odds here. Awareness at all times is the biggest factor in being prepared.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:36 am to HubbaBubba
I was speaking of the built-in internal safety that all striker fired handguns come with. It prevents the pin from firing without the trigger pulling the safety pin block out of the way so the pin can move forward. All striker fired guns have this. The other safeties are just additional safeties to make some gun owners feel safer.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:36 am to HubbaBubba
One in chamber
But you have to practice, practice, practice and practice some more
Also - self defense rounds - practice with those on occasion - they can be a bit different than standard rounds...
But you have to practice, practice, practice and practice some more
Also - self defense rounds - practice with those on occasion - they can be a bit different than standard rounds...
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:42 am to HubbaBubba
Absolutely and without question keep a round in the chamber ready to go. If it isn't in the chamber you will lose a second or two. In a bad situation you will need 2 free hands. Could make the difference.
I used to carry a 38 snub nose and kept the chamber empty. It was only because I heard stories of someone dropping a loaded gun on the hammer and they gun could go off. You aren't shooting that round anyway in a revolver. When you pull the trigger or pull hammer back the cylinder advances.
I used to carry a 38 snub nose and kept the chamber empty. It was only because I heard stories of someone dropping a loaded gun on the hammer and they gun could go off. You aren't shooting that round anyway in a revolver. When you pull the trigger or pull hammer back the cylinder advances.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 11:49 am to alphaandomega
A couple of things that I make a habit of when carrying appendix:
Draw with your strong side foot back and lean back. Of course, the main thing is to have your finger off the trigger, but this practice does change the angle of the pistol for additional safety.
Also, for some reason some people tend to forget they have a dangerous tool in their hand when they are holstering the weapon back. I really dont see a reason not to take all the time you need and to watch the pistol back into the holster.
Just my 2 cents.
Draw with your strong side foot back and lean back. Of course, the main thing is to have your finger off the trigger, but this practice does change the angle of the pistol for additional safety.
Also, for some reason some people tend to forget they have a dangerous tool in their hand when they are holstering the weapon back. I really dont see a reason not to take all the time you need and to watch the pistol back into the holster.
Just my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 11:50 am
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:08 pm to Knight of Old
quote:I have been going this way too. A Colt agent with hollow points or one of the new high velocity rounds should be fully reliable and safe at the same time its double action trigger can go responsive.
A 38 revolver: the VAST, VAST majority of self defense matters are resolved with 2-4 rounds and never have to worry about racking and virtually never a misfire...
Some use the same logic and use a semi-automatic with one loaded in the chamber with a notable "double action" first shot, not unlike the revolver, in the same way.
Other considerations. The revolver is not as likely to malfunction. The revolver is a natural concealed carry and a more convenient size for handling both in and out of a holster.
The idea of any thing else pointed at your, uh, pecker or femoral artery seems to be quite risky. Besides there are things to ensure in your thought process if, heaven forbid, you must use deadly force on another human. Such as legalities, overpenetration, etc.
It is a dilemma that I would hope everyone thinks through on their own best interests
Posted on 9/14/20 at 12:46 pm to Smokeyone
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Always 1 in the chamber, striker fire with no manual safety. That is the only way that makes sense.
^^^THIS!!^^^
Posted on 9/14/20 at 1:38 pm to HubbaBubba
Keeping a bullet in the chamber is only unsafe if YOU are handle the firearm in an unsafe manner or if kids can access the firearm. LEO perspective here.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:14 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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The idea of any thing else pointed at your, uh, pecker or femoral artery seems to be quite risky.
I think that is the natural gut reaction. But, if the holster correctly covers the trigger, I think it you would really have to go out of your way to shoot yourself while drawing. Your trigger finger naturally goes into proper position with such a holster. Now, I can see it happening on a careless attempt to holster the weapon.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:10 pm to HubbaBubba
I carry a Glock 23, striker fired, trigger safety only. I think I would feel more comfortable with a hammer fired weapon with one in the chamber, and the hammer down, but it is essentially the same problem. If you are fumblefricking around with your pistol at the moment of truth, you might as well carry around a pocket full of rocks.
I don’t know about your pistol, but you have to be careful with a Glock. Anything that depresses that trigger safety, a shirttail, a worn leather holster flap, a loose bit of belt, pants, or belt loop, can easily result in a negligent discharge. If you truly have a problem with this, get a revolver, or maybe a hammer fired semi-auto. Telling yourself that you will have the time and dexterity to rack that slide, aim and fire accurately is blowing smoke up your own arse.
I don’t know about your pistol, but you have to be careful with a Glock. Anything that depresses that trigger safety, a shirttail, a worn leather holster flap, a loose bit of belt, pants, or belt loop, can easily result in a negligent discharge. If you truly have a problem with this, get a revolver, or maybe a hammer fired semi-auto. Telling yourself that you will have the time and dexterity to rack that slide, aim and fire accurately is blowing smoke up your own arse.
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:11 pm to HubbaBubba
I prefer one in the chamber and 9 in the perp
Posted on 9/14/20 at 9:30 pm to S1C EM
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I’ve got three kids in the house. The big two know to stay away from my guns (though I take my oldest shooting from time to time), but you never know when curiosity will get the better of them.
My sons are 21 and 23 now, but when they were young we had an understanding. Any time they wanted to look at, handle, or otherwise mess with my guns, all they had to do was ask. I was more than happy to assist them in this, all the while instructing them about gun safety. In return, it was also understood that if I caught them as much as laying a finger on any of my guns without my knowledge and permission, I would whip them until they couldn’t sit down. I meant it, and they knew I meant it. I never had an issue.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:16 pm to The Maj
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I prefer my firearm to be next to my right leg where it is hidden from view and a more natural motion if needed
I might actually have the opportunity to do this as well. I have a small console that has a left side slot to the right of my steering wheel on the floor board and it looks like I can clamp to the bottom of it as well.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:18 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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You ever been pulled over with that setup?
No, but I have been pulled over and had my pistol right next to me. I told the officer that I have a gun while I kept my hands on the steering wheel. He wasn’t concerned. I showed him respect and he returned it right back to me. No issues whatsoever.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:21 pm to Will Cover
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No, but I have been pulled over and had my pistol right next to me. I told the officer that I have a gun while I kept my hands on the steering wheel. He wasn’t concerned. I showed him respect and he returned it right back to me. No issues whatsoever.
I keep my pistol in the crease between seats when I’m in my truck. I do exactly the same, hands on the wheel, inform the officer. No problems.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:26 pm to troyt37
You must be white. Surely, you have to be white.
White privilege in effect. :-)
White privilege in effect. :-)
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