Hundreds? Sources please. IIRC it was reported that there were low 6-figures at the rally that day. Don't know the exact # but reports are 500-700 people were a part of the mess that happened on 1 side of the Capital. I say 1 side as there are people getting persecuted still and never were on that side, nor knew what was going on there until way later. Can't remember his name but look up the gay guy that runs that party change org, who is having to wear an ankle monitor, and never went into the capital. He has his whole view on video too. Ohhh yeah the FBI raided him in his home, and threw him on the hood of their car so the whole neighborhood could see.

Also, on the "carrying/plastic restraints/bear spray" piece...

The Right wing in this country is the most armed political party citizenry in the world, and all people like you can point to is that some people had restraints and bear spray to prove there was some kind of organized insurrection? Think about that a minute.

To touch on other things you mentioned in this thread:

- Your excuse that you are only 35 and only know what you have heard/seen, proves you need to step back and learn not act like a "know it all" counter on this board

- to open up your horizons on fentanyl flloyd and the reaction to it you should learn about Tony Timpa out of Dallas, and see how the Dallas police officers were treated for killing him. Don't act like MINN had any kind of justification for destroying their city, and the rest of the country/world justifying it too, on made up "systemic racism". Something the states AG said he couldn't prove. Essentially people were murdered (where are the arrests on those by the FBI) and businesses destroyed b/c some pos druggie overdosed and the officer had no clue he had swallowed the drugs when he applied a trained/accepted tactic.

- Others have posted things about how the Kavanagh protests went, and yes people were arrested but compare their treatment after to the J6 people. Also, don't forget that SCOTUS is a equally 3rd piece of the govt, so if saying its the "presidential elections" won't fly as attempting to stop a right-wing nominee in the way the Dems have is way worse for "our Democracy" than what happened on J6.

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As to the racial unrest - why isn’t that the work of the alphabet agency? I mean…tossing a few bricks into a few windows can transform an already heated crowd? Right?

The DOJ just dropped charges and made a deal with rioters that tried to burn down the DC church.

Oh and how about the rioters that attacked and injured the SS Agents protecting the White House, that they felt necessary to take Trump to the bunker...where are the cries of insurrection for that action?

How about the real insurrection of "the chop zone" where people closed a whole little area and declared it a sovereign nation...where are the cries of insurrection there?

Yeah you are being disingenuous with your "few broken windows and throw bricks" can escalate BS, as the alphabet agencies didn't do anything about all of that for over a year and propbaly still won't if it kicks back up, so you should be asking "why" instead?

Do you really think the alphabet agencies are working in a non-partisan way?

Sad thing is the list can go on and on with what the left has done, and you just keep your head in the sand behind your "I'm just 35" excuse.

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Posted by Liberator

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:16 am to 850SaintsGator

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Let’s say that i accept your theory that the destruction/fear/assault on J6 was a deep state action : here are a couple of logic hurdles that i see...

I'm not dismissing you and your abstract Trump questions; Nor are the following questions "gotchas!" either. If you're able to answer them it would be immensely helpful in understanding then addressing your "logic hurdles".

1) Planet Earth from 2015 till 2020 -- how closely did you watch political events?

2) Who have been your main daily or periodic sources of "news"?

3) Did you at any time ever believe any "RUSSIA!" or "Dossier!" reports?

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Posted by Flats

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:19 am to 850SaintsGator

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Ok- let’s do a thought process

You're trying too hard to make this digitial, and it's analogue. It doesn't have to be "Trump planned the entire thing" or "deep state planned the entire thing".

What it looks like from my view is that Trump was pissed, said people should protest. I believe he even specified peaceful protest. No harm there, his inauguration was protested. Nobody called that terrorism.

FBI et all saw an opportunity to make it worse and jumped on it. They planted people all throughout the crowd to instigate; this is on video. Capitol police let people in so they could later call them trespassing; again, all on video, and that's just the video we've seen. There's a reason they're refusing to release thousands of hours of video and it's not because it helps their case. I don't know if you're a left-leaning pussy but if you don't understand that simple fact I do know you're an idiot. That fact alone should make you question the narrative.

When he saw how bad it got Trump made a video telling people to go home; Twitter pulled it.

You make all these statements about inner circle and planning; Trump didn't plan anything. He spoke off the cuff like he always does. The FBI didn't plan the protests, they just planned to take advantage of them for political reasons. It's not any more complicated than that.

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Posted by CleverUserName

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:42 am to 850SaintsGator

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We watched a first responder not give aid to citizen who was under obvious visible/audible distress. We watched normal citizens try to intervene (because that’s a common human trait we all have- help those in distress) but they were prevented by those who are supposed to serve and protect.

You watched a group of those “normal citizens” form a group around the scene and start yelling at the cops becoming major distractions to the point that the remaining cops there had to keep them back. And no.. the group at the scene didn’t begin with “hey!! He looks in distress!”

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I’ll admit, i don’t know about the young kid who was killed in the backseat of his car- that’s a sad story.

Her car. Now why don’t you know their name? Why wasn’t it blared on TV for weeks straight? A young black innocent child killed? Seems newsworthy after the prior newsworthy events. Doesn’t it?

Name any of the juveniles shot in front of that Waffle House in Atlanta this past weekend. Name one.

Name any of the kids shot in their homes in Chicago while gang violence erupts outside.

Quick.. who is Tyshawn Lee? Ariah Jackson? Demetrius Stevenson? Daquane Felix Jr? Joshua Atkinson? No Google. Any of those names ring a bell??

Now Google them. Why was this not a national outrage? Why no marches? No family grieving on CNN? No lawyers and community leaders yelling at the MSNBC cameras? Because your programming only wants the correct narrative instilled in you. And it’s succeeded.

It’s succeeded in you not really caring about career criminals being let out of prison.. being slapped on the wrist time and time again.. being released on bail reform. Alllllll which seem to be leftist wishlist items.

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Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:45 am to cajunangelle

The only terror attack in this country that needs to be talked about is the terror attack on free speech and thought.

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Posted by Butch Baum

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 10:49 am to cajunangelle

In the future, the election of Joe Biden as president will be the bigger terror attack on the U. S. as we know it.

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Posted by jnethe1

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Posted on 4/28/22 at 11:04 am to 850SaintsGator

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I don’t buy into the conspiracy bc it seems rather convenient for Trump supporters to have a boogeyman to blame rather than their leader.

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s a proven fact. Furthermore this is not about trump, it is about the citizens in this country daring to suggest that they have the right to choose their leader and with what our tax dollars are used for.

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I can tell you honestly, the week after J6 was committee week for the Florida Legislature so we were all up. The Capitol police and the house/senate sergeants office were on high alert for disturbance. We were getting emails for safety etc. so yeah, we had terror on our minds.

Of course they did, they are giving out information that they want you to have so as to frame your mindset. We have seen countless times where this same intelligence community knew of a terrorist intentions and did nothing about it. Why?

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But why were they carrying them? Like…I’ve been to a few marches in my life, i never brought those items. They were up to something- i say…overthrow something. What’s your theory on why they had them?

Well first and foremost, we must compare the situation with another. If you were to go walking into the woods in Denali National park in the spring, would you go alone without any form of protection from bears? No, that would be completely illogical. I am not suggesting that there were roaming bears in the capital that day, but I am am acknowledging the fact that up to that point, and even today, we have seen our intelligence community come after anyone who sided with trump. Today there are people who are sitting in solitary confinement without having being charged with anything. They lied about trump and his dealings with Russia, they lied about a phone call with Ukraine, and in leaked text messages we saw what the top levels of the intelligence community thought of these people. On another note, they could have walked in there without anything at all and it would still be suggested that they were violent. But that would be purposefully ignorant of facts and patterns. When you purchase a car, or a television, you base your decision on what to buy based on your past experiences and on facts and patterns exhibited by those items which you are looking to buy. These people who were proclaimed to have been in an act to overthrow our government have never once exhibited any behavior in the past that suggests that they would be capable of this which they have been accused of. Finally let us look at the weapons they chose to have on their persons’. Bear spray and plastic restraints. Neither of those are lethal. So to suggest that these are the tools that will be used to overthrow the government is disingenuous. These people are known as nra members and gun lovers. If their true intentions were to overthrow the government, why did they leave those at home?

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You had the killing of Breonna Taylor at the hands of police …Armuad Ashbury murder, that had also been covered up ….then an 8 minute video of Chauvin killing George Taylor. I don’t care how much a pos a person is but watching someone die for 8 minutes is effn intense … yeah, we have learned different things regarding George since but nothing stops that raw emotion of watching someone die. Justice demands action …so yeah, i get the initial outrage

So you think the cops are trying to hurt them? They are seeking them out in your opinion? Because I know of an officer on a personal level who now hates his job because of all of this. He can do nothing right in relation to blacks. One moment they are crying for help because their cousin has been gunned down in front of their house. The next day the next neighborhood over is promoting violence against police because the police dared to do their job and try to arrest the man whom they know killed the other black man the other day, but he pointed a gun at the officers, so they shot and killed him. You literally cannot win in these scenarios.

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