re: OK Libs, please have the stones to go on record:

There definitely needs to be a check on illegal immigration. A wall bearing trumps name to appease his ego? Is that the best way to solve the problem? That is my issue. A wall may be part of the answer; but, truthfully, I simply cannot believe anything trump says. He has lied over and over and over and, frankly, no one should believe him So, he has no credibility and hence if he says we need HIS wall it should not be believed.

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How the hell does anyone know the accurate rate at which crime is committed by a group no one is allowed to count?

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This hurts...not helps...your argument. If your premise is “we only know about some of them because we can’t count them” then a full census count would increase the denominator. We absolutely know about the ones committing crimes. That’s the numerator

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First of all, screw that. What part of ILLEGAL do they not understand?? They are already committing what SHOULD BE considered a serious crime by being in our country ILLEGALLY.

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The tards just move the goalposts.
If you point out that they do commit more crimes, they'll say they aren't felonies. If you point out that the 2nd time crossing the border illegally is a felony, that'll say, "But they're not violent felonies"
Rinse and repeat for any topic.

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This hurts...not helps...your argument. If your premise is “we only know about some of them because we can’t count them” then a full census count would increase the denominator.

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Wrong.

But that hurts...not helps the argument for disallowing the citizenship question on the census.
Do you support the citizenship question being mandated on the Census?

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Just go ahead and admit you dont care for people with darker skin than you and move on. What you are in essence saying is that if one darker skinned person did something bad, then I will impose my belief that those tendencies apply to all darker skinned people. It is called prejudice sir.

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Thats retarded.

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I dispute that the best way to stop this is a wall. The best way would be to throw the people hiring illegal immigrants into jail - including those who happen to hire them for their golf courses.

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So you want them in but you don’t want them to be able to work and support themselves? Sounds about right.

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Below is from the Crime Prevention Research Center.

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that was written by John Lott. he also wrote this editorial on fox while pretending to be a woman. he pretended to be a different woman when he wrote a bunch of reviews of his books.

he's more or less insane.

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Granted it only examines detailed data from Arizona but when I heard this guy explain it he went into great detail as to how the so-called study libs reference as a source inflates the denominator and reduces the numerator.

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his system for labeling citizens in that is wrong .

"Lott claimed his incarceration data showed that 11.1 percent of those who went into prison in Arizona in 2014 were undocumented immigrants, while the group accounts for just 4.9 percent of the state’s population. But he abused the data to get to the 11.1 percent figure."
"The variable he used to calculate which convicts were undocumented immigrants and which were citizens or documented legal residents or visitors cannot actually clarify the distinction he said it clarifies.
The data Arizona keeps suggest that at most 4.3 percent of all those admitted to prisons there last year were undocumented.
“Lott thought that ‘non-U.S. citizens and deportable’ describes only illegal immigrants, but it does not.”
"In fact, the data include immigrants of all legal statuses."
“Using another variable that Lott did not analyze reveals that, at worst, illegal immigrants in Arizona likely have an incarceration rate lower than their percentage of that state’s population.”

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Do you support the citizenship question being mandated on the Census?

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I’m not a liberal or a a Democrat. I have zero problem with collecting that information on a census.

Question posed regularly on this board during the govt shutdown

How is the shutdown affecting your daily life?

Why stop there.

How are illegal border crossings affecting your daily life?

The only rule here is your answer can’t be about the impact on the nation. You have to list how you are affected.

Building a wall/fence/barrier from CA to TX will not keep one person from being raped in the US. Not one. Tunnelling under walls/fences is very easy and is happening every day already where we have walls.

I am FOR barriers along heavily populated areas. But I am against a 2000+ mile huge concrete barrier which Trump described 500 times and every time said Mexico would pay for said wall.