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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:47 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:47 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
You should see him on the CCB (when it opens). Absolute legend.
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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What has he posted that makes you think he believes Iranian propaganda?
That list has been posted. The fact it had Trump agreed to should be clear and that it’s propaganda that is being pushed by Iran or others supporting Iran.
Look at the list, there is absolutely no way it was accepted as a precursor to talking.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:49 pm to rmnldr
Let’s say for the sake of argument that Iran is just posturing about the US agreeing to the conditions. That is the most likely conclusion so far.
(Because lost in translation is always a variable here, as seen with Lebanon inclusion/exclusion previously)
We can see that killing the top 4 leadership doesn’t bring about surrender. So this list is a precursor to what Iran may consider acceptable to end this war.
1. Lots of money up front. (unfrozen assets or reparations payment)
2. Future power and income stream (Strait of Hormuz tolls)
3. Ceasefire to include Lebanon (can the US force Israel to stop?)
4. No deployment of US troops (to clear passage or for potential ground invasion)
For the sake of argument, what is the US prepared to do instead, assuming none have been agreed to?
And, in what world would the US deliver on any of those things?
I just don’t see it. And Israel wants to continue the war.
So how does this not result in a drawn out war?
(Because lost in translation is always a variable here, as seen with Lebanon inclusion/exclusion previously)
We can see that killing the top 4 leadership doesn’t bring about surrender. So this list is a precursor to what Iran may consider acceptable to end this war.
1. Lots of money up front. (unfrozen assets or reparations payment)
2. Future power and income stream (Strait of Hormuz tolls)
3. Ceasefire to include Lebanon (can the US force Israel to stop?)
4. No deployment of US troops (to clear passage or for potential ground invasion)
For the sake of argument, what is the US prepared to do instead, assuming none have been agreed to?
And, in what world would the US deliver on any of those things?
I just don’t see it. And Israel wants to continue the war.
So how does this not result in a drawn out war?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:52 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I swear the bullshite some of you buy into.
Never bought into it
I could be posting the theory that’s also widespread that there was no pilot rescue and it was just a failed raid on the Isfahan compound but y'all would flip out even worse.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:53 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:54 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:54 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:55 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:55 pm to rmnldr
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The 4 preconditions that Trump accepted:
1. The release of Iran’s frozen assets
2. A ceasefire in Lebanon
3. Limitation on passage through the Strait of Hormuz to 15 vessels per day, with transit payment
4. The prohibition of any redeployment of U.S. forces and equipments
I'm not shooting the messenger.
But the side that is winning the conflict doesn't have to agree to pre-conditions.
"They don't have the cards..." is as true as it ever was with regards to Iranian negotiations.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:56 pm to AGGIES
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I just don’t see it.
I don’t either. If that’s really their preconditions then nothing will be agreed to unless we’re just surrendering.
The post from the Iranian SA embassy may just be bullshite, who knows.
I’m still of the belief that Iran won’t concede and we’ll have to force the strait open. Our interceptor magazine depth was depleted for our navy and this ceasefire is giving us ample time to reload our VLS on our destroyers and cruisers with plenty of standards and sea sparrows.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:57 pm to hawgfaninc
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Despite war expense, the government is still $140b ahead of FY 2025.
War time Trump may end up more fiscally responsible than peace time Biden.
If accurate, $140B is not chump change...
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:59 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The fact it had Trump agreed to should be clear and that it’s propaganda that is being pushed by Iran or others supporting Iran.
Yes, but that was in the tweet itself. I am asking what makes anyone think the act of posting is equivalent to believing what was posted.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:59 pm to AndyCBR
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But the side that is winning the conflict doesn't have to agree to pre-conditions.
Not trying to sound like a TDS retard — and I’m looking at this purely from a strategic perspective — it’s not crystal clear who exactly is winning this strategically.
Tactically and operationally we’ve smashed them to pieces, but at the end of the day, they have the Strait closed and that’s their main weapon. We have all the advantages at the tactical and operational level but right now Iran does appear to have a slight strategic upper hand (and it’s their only leverage point).
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:00 pm to hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:01 pm to hawgfaninc
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They keep trying to humiliate the US with preconditions, paying them to turn up to negotiations etc.
I'm still okay with it because it's important for domestic politics that they say we gave negotiations a chance. I understand it's not ideal, but political considerations matter too and I'm a fan of having domestic political ammo at the expense of dealing this kind of retarded shite from Iranians.
The international stuff matters, but domestic matters just as much and we need to win that too. It's an unfortunate situation, but it's fine. It's good the anti war guy JD is at this, he now gets to tell all the anti war people they're lunatics too, or they accept our terms (unlikely).
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:04 pm to crazy4lsu
His history of posting mostly negative tweets and other comments about Trump. I am fine with people not always being for what Trump does or not liking him at all. He looks for anything that sheds a negative light on Trump and posts it.
Just like the Dems posting dishonest lies and misinformation about Trump. I have no doubt they know it’s false but hits submit anyway. Propaganda and gaslighting.
I call them out too.
Just like the Dems posting dishonest lies and misinformation about Trump. I have no doubt they know it’s false but hits submit anyway. Propaganda and gaslighting.
I call them out too.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:06 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:07 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:07 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Okay, thanks for an actual answer.
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