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I don't agree with this.

My understanding is that Bush truly believed based off of the intelligence presented to him that Iraq had WMDs. Now...laying criticism against said intelligence and Bush's acceptance of the same is a valid debate....but the bottom line is Bush didn't outright lie about the presence of WMD's just for the sake of getting us to invade Iraq.

You are a smart man Cpt...the man lived an exemplary life and made the respectable decisions we should expect our leader to make. He loved politics and trying to help, but was held to a higher power and stayed true to the Constitution and God. He didn't sit around some community organization and smoke dope. He didn't hide his entire life's story. He didn't hide his transcripts or his faith. ANyone, and I mean anyone who hides something about their past is not worthy of trust, much less the leader of the free world (or at least it was when Bush left office).

Let them attack, but notice he didn't answer. You see a liberal's MOO is to deflect and never answer a direct question....that's why they make no sense when debating. Just like that idiot did the other night on Oreilly....When asked why Sybellius(?) is still at her job, he had no answer, just deflected about looking ahead...he is a joke...her only job after spending over a billion dollars was to make sure the site was ready!

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Posted by son of arlo

State of Innocence

Member since Sep 2013

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:32 am to Broseph Barksdale

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I'll take Bill back right now. Lying about getting your wiener wet is a little less egregious than the other two.

If I were POTUS and could pick the time period, I'd choose 1992-2000. Probably the best time to be POTUS evah. Billy Jeff owes a lot of his feel good legacy to Newt as well, but will never admit it.

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Posted by DeltaDoc

The Delta

Member since Jan 2008

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 8:36 am to son of arlo

It seems, over the last three presidential tenures, that lying to the American public is certainly accepted practice to push agendas (or get out of trouble).

My personal opinion is that Obama has taken it to another level based on Obamacare alone. When you couple that with is apparent lack of knowledge of IRS targeting and denial as to its effect or severity, his denials about Benghazi, his denial of lack of knowledge of press targeting, etc., it is quite alarming to assume that this would be the norm going forward for future presidents, whether they be GOP or Democrat.

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Posted by N.O. via West-Cal

New Orleans

Member since Aug 2004

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:42 am to kywildcatfanone

"Bush, and it's not even close. How sad is that?"

So true!

by the way, probably a bad example on WMD's. I know the line was "Bush lied," but that was silly. Virtually everyone thought Iraq had WMD. I still opposed the intervention as bad strategy/foreign policy, not because someone was "lying." Bush may have been wrong about WMD's but he wasn't lying on that one.

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Posted by DeltaDoc

The Delta

Member since Jan 2008

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 9:46 am to N.O. via West-Cal

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by the way, probably a bad example on WMD's. I know the line was "Bush lied," but that was silly. Virtually everyone thought Iraq had WMD. I still opposed the intervention as bad strategy/foreign policy, not because someone was "lying." Bush may have been wrong about WMD's but he wasn't lying on that one.

The thought or allegation is that Bush knew more than he disclosed and therefore those that supported him, like Clinton, only did so based on the limited knowledge they were given by the Bush administration. In other words, they manipulated or withheld evidence to sway opinion and therefore lied.

I think Iraq was a colossal and unforgivable mistake on W's part, but I am not sure he knowingly withheld information to justify the war. Cheney on the other hand could have easily withheld evidence from Bush and Congress...that would not surprise me in the least.

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Posted by ironsides

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Member since May 2006

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 10:22 am to DeltaDoc

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I think Iraq was a colossal and unforgivable mistake on W's part, but I am not sure he knowingly withheld information to justify the war. Cheney on the other hand could have easily withheld evidence from Bush and Congress...that would not surprise me in the least.

Bush: He should have fact-checked Cheney
Clinton: You guys think lying about a BJ was his only transgression? Financial Services Modernization Act

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Removal of barriers to competition will enhance the stability of our financial services system.

(cough TARP, Housing Crisis, cough cough) This act made the financial system rediculously more risky and enabled banks to become TBTF. Without this we wouldn't have needed TARP because investment houses would be seperate from consumer banks. But I digress......

And Obama, was there a more disingenuous President?

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Posted by infantry1026

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Posted on 2/5/14 at 11:12 am to DeltaDoc

GWB and it's not even close.

There are many things that GWB did that I was pissed about, but at least he is not the POS the other two frick sticks are.