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re: Of Last Three POTUSs, Which Is The Most Honest?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:19 am to davesdawgs
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:19 am to davesdawgs
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This though in hiney sight he overreacted to flawed intelligence in response to 9/11 which is somewhat understandable.
an understandable overreaction ???
We invaded a country over it ?? It made Iraq meaningless
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:21 am to DeltaDoc
quote:
Of Last Three POTUSs, Which Is The Most Honest?
The one who prays to the Lord Jesus Christ and who's entire life shows his dignity, respect, and admiration of the Bible.
And also the one who served the United States of America and respected the Constitution and it's framers.
If you put a piece of shite in office, he will make pieces of shite decisions!
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:21 am to kywildcatfanone
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Bush, and it's not even close. How sad is that?
What's more sad than that?
Some morons aren't sure what's the correct answer, which is of course.
Bush
I've frequently called William Jefferson Blythe Clinton the third the best liar I've ever met. The man could make you believe just about anything.
In terms of sheer quantity of lies, he's probably worse than Owebama, who just plain sucks at lying.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:46 am to llfshoals
IMO, Clinton never had to sell anything to the public the size of what Bush and Obama did. Clinton benefited greatly from a thriving economy. I wish Bush and Obamas biggest lie was about an affair. Do I think Clinton would avoided making the same lies? not a chance. Hell most of Bush's WMD lie came with Bill and Hillary's backing.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:53 am to kywildcatfanone
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Bush, and it's not even close. How sad is that?
...clarify..
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:56 am to C
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Hell most of Bush's WMD lie came with Bill and Hillary's backing.
...you are an idiot. The FACT that Iraq had WMD's is irrefutable.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:12 am to GeeOH
quote:
The one who prays to the Lord Jesus Christ and who's entire life shows his dignity, respect, and admiration of the Bible.
And also the one who served the United States of America and respected the Constitution and it's framers.
If you put a piece of shite in office, he will make pieces of shite decisions!
Bush cared about the Constitution as much as I care about lacrosse. Ever heard of the Patriot Act?
I'm sure you vote, and that saddens me.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:20 am to DeltaDoc
W. Just because we didn't find the WMD's doesn't mean Saddam didn't have them.
There is a strong-held belief that all of Iraq's WMD, chemical weapons, etc. ended up in Syria. The border is quite porous between Iraq and Syria, and Assad has an interest in having them (to either use on his own citizens or against Israel).
There is a strong-held belief that all of Iraq's WMD, chemical weapons, etc. ended up in Syria. The border is quite porous between Iraq and Syria, and Assad has an interest in having them (to either use on his own citizens or against Israel).
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:31 am to Quidam65
I don't want to derail this thread with Bush accusations, but have none of you heard of The New American Century?
It was began by members of Bush's inner circle in 98, and was focused on removing Saddam from power.
9/11 was the perfect excuse to go in.
This is a fact. Not an opinion.
Ron Suskind's book on Paul O'Neill detailed this somewhat.
It was began by members of Bush's inner circle in 98, and was focused on removing Saddam from power.
9/11 was the perfect excuse to go in.
This is a fact. Not an opinion.
Ron Suskind's book on Paul O'Neill detailed this somewhat.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:32 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
I don't want to derail this thread with Bush accusations, but have none of you heard of The New American Century?
It was began by members of Bush's inner circle in 98, and was focused on removing Saddam from power.
9/11 was the perfect excuse to go in.
This is a fact. Not an opinion.
oh Lord....here we go. please tell me you're not a fricking truther
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:39 am to Choctaw
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please tell me you're not a fricking truther
How did you get that from my post?
Don't disregard evidence based assertions with false labels.
Fact: Kristol, Rumsfield, Cheney were part of organization that wanted Saddam removed.
Fact: We invaded Iraq on dubious info.
Fact: Although all evidence pointed to the contrary, we were sold a "wham, bam, thank you m'am" invasion-type strategy.
Fact: We were lied to about the costs, and that Iraqi oil would pay for it.
Fact: All of those involved in the planning were former board members of defense contractors or think tanks.
Fact: This occupation has destroyed many more lives than Obama's policies ever will.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:39 am to DeltaDoc
They'd all lie right to your face for what they deem the greater good so I'd say they're all even
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:41 am to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
How did you get that from my post?
quote:
9/11 was the perfect excuse to go in.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:40 pm to Choctaw
If Bush lied about WMD's, that would mean the other two are lying with him...
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (D, IL)
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (D, IL)
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:38 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Fact: This occupation has destroyed many more lives than Obama's policies ever will.
You had me until that...over the coming decades, the ACA will be seen as the straw that broke the camel's back for this country and this country's health care.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:42 pm to DeltaDoc
My favorite lie was by Hillary. When she said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. When you lie just to lie it's psychotic.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:45 pm to DeltaDoc
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You had me until that...over the coming decades, the ACA will be seen as the straw that broke the camel's back for this country and this country's health care.
Fair enough, but this country was falling apart well before Obama's election. He just expedited the downfall.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:46 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Fair enough, but this country was falling apart well before Obama's election. He just expedited the downfall.
True.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:48 pm to Zach
obama is merely the latest manifestation of choosing PC crap over the pusuit of excellence, which is what is driving the country into the shitter.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:52 pm to DeltaDoc
quote:
Bush supposedly lied about the WMDs
I don't agree with this.
My understanding is that Bush truly believed based off of the intelligence presented to him that Iraq had WMDs. Now...laying criticism against said intelligence and Bush's acceptance of the same is a valid debate....but the bottom line is Bush didn't outright lie about the presence of WMD's just for the sake of getting us to invade Iraq.
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