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re: Ocasio-Cortez, progressives accuse Trump of using socialism as scare tactic
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:04 pm to Ebbandflow
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:04 pm to Ebbandflow
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So then it wouldn't be socialism if you expanded those GI Bill and VA rights to every American citizen, right?
If the government owns the hospitals and pays the doctors, yes. It would be a socialized industry, not full blown socialism
You want the VA to be the model for health care?
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If the government owns the hospitals and pays the doctors, yes. It would be a socialized industry, not full blown socialism
You want the VA to be the model for health care?
Will the government certainly pays for those soldier's education. I think that would be a valuable thing for everyone. I don't think the VA should be the model but we just have to demand more and hold people accountable for doing it the wrong way
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:08 pm to Ebbandflow
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think that would be a valuable thing for everyone
Except the cost would be prohibitive.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:10 pm to Ebbandflow
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Or it could be like Sweden, Finland, Norway Etc. But tgat doesn't really help your point, does it?
There’s something different about the US compared to these countries...can’t quite place it...
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:24 pm to Ebbandflow
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I don't think the VA should be the model but we just have to demand more and hold people accountable for doing it the wrong way
Since we all know bureaucracy= holding people accountable for doing something the wrong way
Posted on 2/6/19 at 11:29 pm to nugget
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Since we all know bureaucracy= holding people accountable for doing something the wrong way
Up to us
Posted on 2/7/19 at 1:14 am to Ebbandflow
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Or it could be like Sweden, Finland, Norway Etc. But tgat doesn't really help your point, does it?
Common myth, all the countries you have listed operate under a capitalistic system with distribution of resources determined by market forces, and means of production privately owned. Sweden even allows school vouchers, and get this , most have no minimum wage. Some offer generous welfare and healthcare funded by high taxes, but there is a growing movement to reduce government programs and taxes in most of those countries.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 1:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You want the VA to be the model for health care?
The VA which allows Veterans to use private healthcare providers when their local VA facility cant meet their needs. Imagine that, a government funded and managed operation that has to rely on the private sector to do its job.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 1:20 am
Posted on 2/7/19 at 1:29 am to EA6B
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Common myth, all the countries you have listed operate under a capitalistic system with distribution of resources determined by market forces, and means of production privately owned. Sweden even allows school vouchers, and get this , most have no minimum wage. Some offer generous welfare and healthcare funded by high taxes, but there is a growing movement to reduce government programs and taxes in most of those countries.
I guess the plane went right over your head. I was saying that implementing similar social strategies in the United States would make a bunch of yahoos from the right start crying socialism when it isn't. That was my point
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:24 am to Ebbandflow
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Yeah
Yes. They are idiotic. I'm sure liberals would argue that they don't pass all of those taxes on to their customers but the reality that they pass at least a significant chunk of them on their customers is indisputable
It's literally a way for the average person to tax himself while thinking he's taxing the big guy. You can't get stupider than that
Posted on 2/7/19 at 6:26 am to Ebbandflow
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I guess the plane went right over your head. I was saying that implementing similar social strategies in the United States would make a bunch of yahoos from the right start crying socialism when it isn't. That was my point
No, your point was as idiotic as the clown who said the caravans would never reach the US.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 7:35 am to Ebbandflow
quote:How would the government fund paying for education for everyone? I hope your answer isn't taxing the richest more. You realize that isn't the answer, right?
Will the government certainly pays for those soldier's education. I think that would be a valuable thing for everyone. I don't think the VA should be the model but we just have to demand more and hold people accountable for doing it the wrong way
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:20 am to gthog61
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No, your point was as idiotic as the clown who said the caravans would never reach the US.
It's kind of pathetic how many times I've shut you down and you're still hanging on to that. LOL
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:31 am to Ebbandflow
quote:It could be. Have you ever taken the time to see what your taxes at your income level would be under those systems? The reason I ask is because their tax code is far less progressive than ours. Most "socialists" here haven't a clue they'd contribute the majority of new government taxes if we switched to a Scandinavian tax system. Be careful what you ask for.
Or it could be like Sweden, Finland, Norway Etc.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 10:38 am to NC_Tigah
quote:The problem with that is it would be too late to change it.
Be careful what you ask for.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:38 am to Ebbandflow
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I don't think the VA should be the model
It will be much worse
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