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re: Ocasio-Cortez, progressives accuse Trump of using socialism as scare tactic
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There's n need to throw up hands because economics explains how the markets meet the need.
I literally gave you an example of a major need that is not being met. But yeah economics and stuff. This is the same dumbass conversation that went way over y'all's heads where y'all accused me of leaving economics out. The truth was, just like you were doing now, people just kept saying "economics man."
Point is that free market libertarianism or unregulated free markets don't solve everything. I know you guys feel like it's a slippery slope to be asked to pay for things but if you want to live in a society sometimes majority rules on certain things. When the majority doesn't want health care for people who can't afford it to be ignored, a vote in favor of taxes to pay for it.
Of course there's a whole side conversation in which we could discuss how the majority doesn't always win elections LOL. But from where I'm sitting it looks like most Republicans are okay with offshore corporate tax evasion and giving the military industrial complex excessive amounts of money, but not helping its own citizens.
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:21 pm to SDVTiger
And a road isn’t some retarded bartenders wet dream of a pet project
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:24 pm to Ebbandflow
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with offshore corporate tax evasion
It's not evasion no matter how many times you claim it to be.
Your understanding of economics is very limited. There is virtually nothing acompetitive market cannot do better than the public sector. The only things I can think of are mainly because of regulations and laws that hinder the market.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:25 pm to Canada_Baw
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Government need not intervene. If and when someone can make money by desalination ofsea water, investors and innovators will be motivated to do so and will solve the problem.
I disagree but that is one of the fundamental cornerstones of My Philosophy. You and most Republicans think of the government as outside of yourselves instead of something that could be a useful tool of society.
If it needs to be done you do it by whatever means necessary and if someone they saying it's too expensive well then frick them anyway. You send all of your local Congress people and elected officials a signed petition saying this is a very important issue to you and then it starts the wheels turning.
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Forcing a non profitable market to exist is unhealthy.
So is worrying about where water is going to come from and so is rising ocean water going to be a huge problem for coastal cities. I guess it all boils down to what's more important to you.
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tax payers will not have pissed a bunch of money up a rope.
Yet nobody cares that government money pays for the constant R&D of new military weapons just for the sake of getting a constant paycheck. That's the kind of thing you say no to your politicians about until every one of them is forced to listen. Just like solving a problem that is Coastal and water related.
As an aside, do you have the same position when it comes to the wall? Should we just wait for people to design a new wall? Don't be a hypocrite. Answer honestly
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's not evasion no matter how many times you claim it to be.
No no no. Keeping your money away from taxes us tax evasion, whether or not people give a pass to the wealthy. The problem is people like you that allow things like that to happen while shouldering more of the tax burden than you should. You much prefer to go after people who don't have much.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:28 pm to Ebbandflow
Water will be resolved by the market. If it is rewarding it will be solved. Government would be pissing money up a rope.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:28 pm to Ebbandflow
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think of the government as outside of yourselves instead of something that could be a useful tool of society.
1). It's not voluntary
2) itsnot efficient
3) they can take your freedom
4). Government has killed more people than any other sector of organized gangs in world history.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:30 pm to Ebbandflow
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This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:30 pm to Ebbandflow
Wall would provide a benefit in that it would be a permanent barrier to offset continual spending on border security among other things.
Save money. Not piss up rope.
ETA: wall crosses multiple states and many different landowners - not feasible for a private company to invest In much like a road
Save money. Not piss up rope.
ETA: wall crosses multiple states and many different landowners - not feasible for a private company to invest In much like a road
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:30 pm to Ebbandflow
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Keeping your money away from taxes us tax evasion
Nope. Hiding or lying about you money is s evasion. Moving money around is avoidance and legal
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:31 pm to Ebbandflow
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You much prefer to go after people who don't have much.
These people don't payy rptaxes
Cut spending, drop taxes and help the economy for everyone
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:33 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:33 pm to Ebbandflow
Military spending necessary.
State of military spending - ridiculous.
State of military spending - ridiculous.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:35 pm to graychef
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Even if done legally?
Funny how much you guys think government is so bad but you give a free pass to the people pulling the government strings against your own best interests.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:39 pm to Canada_Baw
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Wall would provide a benefit in that it would be a permanent barrier to offset continual spending on border security among other things.
Save money. Not piss up rope.
Yes because I'm sure no one will have to worry about tunnels.
I would think of dressing rising ocean waters and helping to increase the freshwater table would be beneficial to taxpayers for a multitude of reasons in the long run. If you're going to use that logic I'll use it right back at you.
Rising ocean waters means storms getting closer to things that are going to require Aid. Also means higher ocean waters flooding onto land and destroying things and needing Aid.
Do you think it's a little ridiculous that people live in California, right by an ocean with rising ocean water, and you're told when they can turn their faucet on or off?
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:40 pm to Ebbandflow
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pulling the government strings against your own best interests.
My best nterest s a smaller, less powerful government
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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These people don't payy rptaxes
Cut spending, drop taxes and help the economy for everyone
Probably dont even pay sales tax, huh?
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My best nterest s a smaller, less powerful government
Well that isn't going to happen. You can go ahead and kiss that goodbye. My interest is in people giving a crap about policy and using our government as a tool for society instead of people throwing up their hands and just saying government bad when it suits their fancy
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:43 pm to Ebbandflow
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Probably dont even pay sales tax, huh?
We were talking about income and corporate taxes, not local sales tax
Posted on 2/6/19 at 10:46 pm to Canada_Baw
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Water will be resolved by the market. If it is rewarding it will be solved.
Point is that it doesn't seem to be getting taken care of and it's going to become a problem. Hell, it already is a problem.
Are you for the government building a wall or private companies?
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