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re: Observation on "science deniers" and climate change

Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:28 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36046 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:28 pm to
Stop allowing the media and others from advancing the premise that because you disagree with AGW that you are somehow a "science denier" You simply do not agree with their "results".

Ever asked a climatologist to defend their statements? Try it, they use a lot of anecdotal b.s. and engage in patronizing condescension.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:30 pm to
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I wished the left was as passionate about the science (real science) of curing cancer as they are about political science of climate change.


The left loves cancer. They admire the progressiveness of it. I suspect they are envious of it's power to cause fear and destroy.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2984 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:48 pm to
Nobody 'denies science'. They just debate what is the best way to interpret the available 'science' and what the best solutions are for the future.

Science march is dumb
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20604 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:18 pm to
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So, uh, who is going to fix it?
No one.

Man simply does not have the ability to do so.

What scares me the most is some morons claiming they've invented the ability to control the climate and stupid enough to try it.
Posted by catnip
Member since Sep 2003
16377 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 4:37 pm to
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Man simply does not have the ability to do so.



That's true. I believe these liberal scientist get a degree at a liberal university and when there are no jobs available in that field they have wasted years of education. So they resort to some brainstormer on how you get money. From the federal government, the experts of confiscating money from people. They supply the data and the feds tax the hell out of people, the said perpetrators. Suddenly you have a tax that makes Obama care look like a penny candy machine.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80282 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:14 pm to
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what we are going to do to fix it


Notice the shift away from science and to politics.

When you see this be suspicious, very suspicious.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 6:37 pm to
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Stop allowing the media and others from advancing the premise that because you disagree with AGW that you are somehow a "science denier" You simply do not agree with their "results".

Ever asked a climatologist to defend their statements? Try it, they use a lot of anecdotal b.s. and engage in patronizing condescension.




I think you have this backwards.



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The articles have a total of 33,690 individual authors. The top ten countries represented, in order, are USA, England, China, Germany, Japan, Canada, Australia, France, Spain, and Netherlands. (The chart shows results through November 9th, 2012.)


Global warming deniers often claim that bias prevents them from publishing in peer-reviewed journals. But 24 articles in 18 different journals, collectively making several different arguments against global warming, expose that claim as false. Articles rejecting global warming can be published, but those that have been have earned little support or notice, even from other deniers.

A few deniers have become well known from newspaper interviews, Congressional hearings, conferences of climate change critics, books, lectures, websites and the like. Their names are conspicuously rare among the authors of the rejecting articles. Like those authors, the prominent deniers must have no evidence that falsifies global warming.

LINK

LINK

If the side denying the scientific consensus is convinced of their arguments, they have a way to make their case: The peer review process. If the consensus is wrong, prove it. Put up for scrutiny peer reviewed data and let the rest of the scientific community judge.

And before anyone pulls the conspiracy card, revisit the first paragraph and note China was included in this number. You know, the worlds biggest polluter? The country with the most to lose by acknowledging the global consensus? A closed system where they could easily suppress or completely propagandize things if wanted.

Yet even China has done the homework and as such have decided pretty publicly, that if we step down from the Paris accords, they will gladly take our place . Taking with it the clout and leadership positioning that will provide their industries with the best seat at the table. Which is why Exxon, Shell, and other fuel industries have told Trump not to leave the table. That it is misguided, bad for America and even bad for them.

And its not just scientists, insurers and the military have done extensive research into the science because it is pivotal to their operational duties to know what risk factors are out there that could affect them.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19586 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:26 am to
I think you, and most everyone else ITT, misunderstood my basic point in the OP.

To the extent that climate is affected by human activity, it is the direct result of previous scientific achievements which have led to longer lives and more people on the planet.

"Fixing" the climate will undoubtedly lead to massive changes, many of which will be totally unforeseen, and not all of which will be positive.

There is no force more powerful in the universe than the effects of unintended consequences.

This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 11:27 am
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:35 am to
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To the extent that climate is affected by human activity, it is the direct result of previous scientific achievements which have led to longer lives and more people on the planet.

"Fixing" the climate will undoubtedly lead to massive changes, many of which will be totally unforeseen, and not all of which will be positive.
In what sense are the consequences of arresting temperature rise less predictable than the consequences of continuing temperature rise?
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20604 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:41 am to
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In what sense are the consequences of arresting temperature rise less predictable than the consequences of continuing temperature rise?
In the sense that man cannot arrest a rise.
Posted by elleshoo9
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2007
1859 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:58 am to
Good article which challenges the "general consensus" of climate change. Read all three parts

LINK
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19586 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 12:29 pm to
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In what sense are the consequences of arresting temperature rise less predictable than the consequences of continuing temperature rise?
Excellent question.

Of course "arresting temperature rise", if it is indeed theoretically possible, would involve massive geopolitical cooperation (or coercion) on a plane unprecedented in human history, spanning years if not decades, likely at an annual cost dwarfing entire governmental operating budgets of most of the participating nations. And there would be no guarantee of success, perhaps not even any evidence that it's having a positive effect several years into the process.

The alternative would be to let the planetary systems that have been governing climate for billions of years run their course, and have the human race react accordingly.

I challenge anyone, even the 97% of scientists who are fully committed to current climate theory, to predict the knock-on effect of their plans to "arrest temperature rise" with any level of confidence.
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