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re: Obama judge forbids appointees, included Treasury Sec, from accessing Treasury data.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:06 pm to BayouBlitz
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:06 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
If doge is given inappropriate access to citizens data, that's not democracy.
Should anyone be able to audit this data?
If yes, who should be able to see the data?
If no, what is your rationalization?
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Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:10 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:The president can lob nuclear missiles into the air. His authority over the executive branch is almost absolute.
Trump just can't do whatever he wants.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:11 pm to BigBro
It isn't anyone doing the auditing. Trump was duly elected by the majority of Americans. He appointed Bissent as the Secretary of Treasury and he was confirmed by the senate. No federal judge has the authority to rule that he cannot perform his job or has any authority over the people who he chooses.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:16 pm to BigBro
Let’s assume this order holds, which we all know is complete bullshite, but let’s assume that for a minute.
What would be a different way to access the data or parts of the data? What might be a potential workaround?
What about looking at the State level first?
Could Texas, for example, give DOGE approval to completely audit any and all records involving payments to Texas citizens or Texas businesses?
Would Texas have to put this on a ballot first? How long would it take to get this on a ballot? Could the Governor rush it through the process and have an emergency vote in 6 months?
If a vote took place, would it require 50% approval or a higher number?
Anyone know? Any other ideas?
What would be a different way to access the data or parts of the data? What might be a potential workaround?
What about looking at the State level first?
Could Texas, for example, give DOGE approval to completely audit any and all records involving payments to Texas citizens or Texas businesses?
Would Texas have to put this on a ballot first? How long would it take to get this on a ballot? Could the Governor rush it through the process and have an emergency vote in 6 months?
If a vote took place, would it require 50% approval or a higher number?
Anyone know? Any other ideas?
This post was edited on 2/8/25 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:19 pm to Goforit
quote:
It isn't anyone doing the auditing. Trump was duly elected by the majority of Americans. He appointed Bissent as the Secretary of Treasury and he was confirmed by the senate. No federal judge has the authority to rule that he cannot perform his job or has any authority over the people who he chooses.
Oh I 100% agree. I’m trying to understand the other side of the argument so that we can figure out a workaround.. if it is needed.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:19 pm to BigBro
quote:
The emergency ruling comes as a result of 15 (Soros installed) attorneys general from New Jersey, New York, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Rhode Island, and Vermont, all filed suit in New York seeking to block Elon Musk and DOGE from access to information that would reveal how activist groups in their states have been funded by the U.S. government.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:20 pm to BuckyCheese
Nearly 6 pages and our resident legal eagle hasn't weighed in. Is he banned? Very odd. I was sincerely looking for his take on this.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:23 pm to cadillacattack
quote:
The emergency ruling comes as a result of 15 (Soros installed) attorneys general from New Jersey, New York, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Rhode Island, and Vermont, all filed suit in New York seeking to block Elon Musk and DOGE from access to information that would reveal how activist groups in their states have been funded by the U.S. government.
so the other 35 states can still be analyzed?
If enough fraud and corruption was found, perhaps it would help to get access to the other 15?
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:25 pm to BayouBlitz
quote:
doge is given inappropriate access to citizens data, that's not democracy.
Ok. This is appropriate access.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:30 pm to GRTiger
quote:He isn’t a lawyer, is waiting for someone to tell him what to think so he can parrot it.
Nearly 6 pages and our resident legal eagle hasn't weighed in.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:34 pm to BuckyCheese
I REALLY want to know how judges are assigned in the Southern District of New York.
How was Judge Englemayer (Obama appointment) selected to grant the preliminary order? Randomly? He, in turn, assigned this Biden appointee to conduct the hearing.
Surely, that's not random (couldn't risk a Republican appointee?)...and he just happened to pick the Democrat who is THE least experienced judge on the court? She received her commission on November 6, 2024. Prior to that, she had ZERO judicial experience.
How was Judge Englemayer (Obama appointment) selected to grant the preliminary order? Randomly? He, in turn, assigned this Biden appointee to conduct the hearing.
Surely, that's not random (couldn't risk a Republican appointee?)...and he just happened to pick the Democrat who is THE least experienced judge on the court? She received her commission on November 6, 2024. Prior to that, she had ZERO judicial experience.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:34 pm to BigBro
quote:
If yes, who should be able to see the data?
Whoever has oversight over the Treasury? Who is that? Does anybody here even know?
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:35 pm to Great Plains Drifter
quote:
Let the Obama appointee judge worry about actually enforcing it.
That was the whole point of the Dems strategy in the past. Enforcement is an executive branch function. The judge can say what he wants but executive branch agencies have to do something with it.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:36 pm to llfshoals
I'm 99% sure he is in fact a lawyer. Now, I don't know which kind, which is important because despite that esquire honor, most average attorneys don't know shite about the law they do t practice, especially the more removed from school they get.
I'd say maybe this one is out of his depth, but we all know he's never met a legal question he wasn't the foremost expert on.
I'd say maybe this one is out of his depth, but we all know he's never met a legal question he wasn't the foremost expert on.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:38 pm to BuckyCheese
The SCOTUS has to overturn this..
Posted on 2/8/25 at 6:39 pm to GetmorewithLes
quote:
Let the Obama appointee judge worry about actually enforcing it.
A Biden appointee with only three months of judicial experience will actually hear the case:
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:12 pm to IvoryBillMatt
A federal judge can order something but enforcing it is another matter. The DOJ is not going to back him. No contempt of court charge will hold because Trump can issue a pardon. Besides, a conservative jugde who believes in the constitution can stay the order. The left is pissing in the wind. They can't stop the Trump/Musk Express.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 7:28 pm to memphisplaya
quote:
Some of these federal judges need a few bones cracked by a few wise guys to get the point across
Republicans need their own version of Hillary...
Posted on 2/8/25 at 11:50 pm to BuckyCheese
In a logical world, this would get tossed by a circuit court in a heartbeat.
In a logical world, this judge would be receiving a summons from SCOTUS.
In a logical world, this judge would be receiving a summons from SCOTUS.
Posted on 2/8/25 at 11:58 pm to DefCon1
I’m 100% certain Trump’s lawyers are much smarter than me and are considering everything, but it seems to me these orders should be ignored. There is some precedent for presidential/ agency nonacquiescence.
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