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re: Obama judge denies DOJ request to unseal grand jury testimony of GM.

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Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11122 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:19 am to
Grand Jury testimony does not = the files. The Files can be released at any time. This is Trump trying to dupe you by equating the GJ testimony with the files They are completely different things.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31834 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:23 am to
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Grand Jury testimony does not = the files. The Files can be released at any time. This is Trump trying to dupe you by equating the GJ testimony with the files They are completely different things.


Yep. Ball is easily hidden from many.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467919 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:30 am to
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Grand Jury testimony does not = the files. The Files can be released at any time. This is Trump trying to dupe you by equating the GJ testimony with the files They are completely different things.


Correct. And they knew the GJ testimony was very unlikely to be released. Now they're spinning this as "Obama judge denies DOJ" like it's the DEMs doing this. Pure political theater, in response to the DEMs' political theater, in response to the admin's unconscionable mishandling of the Epstein matter in the court of public opinion.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
18208 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:32 am to
Damn...it's a trifecta. Three fig posts in a row....Decatur, ricks and SFP. It's going to be a special day.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
5382 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:32 am to
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Now they're spinning this as "Obama judge denies DOJ"


It was literally an Obama judge that denied it. 100% truth

quote:

Epstein matter in the court of public opinion.



You should watch video on my other thread I just made. There is no public opinion regarding Epstein
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9939 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:37 am to
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Can’t Trump just order all government investigative files to be released?


He COULD, however... As is typical for your thought processes, that would be mongoloid-level retardation to do until the investigation into the Epstein/Maxwell/client connections is actually complete.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467919 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:42 am to
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It was literally an Obama judge that denied it. 100% truth

I didn't say it was factually incorrect. That fact is just irrelevant and obvious political spin.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
10051 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:43 am to
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This was something the admin knew they were almost guaranteed to fail on but a lot of their Epstein-related efforts have been performance art since MAGA revolted at the prior information dumps.


Sounds a bit "conspiracy theorist" to me. I guess you're cool with conspiracy theories when you believe those pertaining to the Trump admin's actions.

Not shocking at all.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
5382 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:44 am to
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I didn't say it was factually incorrec


Thank you

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obvious political spin.


Nope, it was just a simple fact.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31834 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:45 am to
They’ve released all kinds of investigative files related to the Russia investigation and all of the investigations of the investigations. And apparently there are new investigations of the investigations yet the Trump admin seems to have no problem releasing files in conjunction with these new investigations.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467919 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:46 am to
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Sounds a bit "conspiracy theorist" to me.

No. I'm only discussing the admin being political and dealing with PR. SOP political stuff.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467919 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:46 am to
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Nope, it was just a simple fact.

An irrelevant one
Posted by Augustus516
Member since Oct 2024
364 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:48 am to
I think the biggest point (that Trump and all his officials finally realized) is that this is not a victimless crime.

There are laws that protect minors…basically my daughters and your daughters and in some cases sons when you consider the Catholic churches abuses…that keep their testimony and pictures of their previous abuse out of the public eye
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
5382 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:49 am to
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They’ve released all kinds of investigative files related to the Russia investigation


I imagine child rape makes the big difference on what can be released. I personally don’t know what else there is to release other than pics and video of children being raped which obviously can’t be done, also the children’s names. Other stuff is sealed via judges. I think everyone thinks there’s a list of names and maybe DOJ simply doesn’t have that list? Maybe all the pics just involve Epstein himself? I don’t know. If you know, release the evidence. Apparently congress has all kinds of info but they just tease and never release anything.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2023
5382 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:50 am to
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An irrelevant one


It was relevant and you’re just gonna have to get over it
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467919 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:52 am to
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It was relevant

Why?

What does any partisanship have to do with unsealing GJ testimony in a live case currently on appeal, over the objection of the Defendant?

That would take an insane judge.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46446 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 9:53 am to
Like clockwork...

How to say this isn't political without ackshywully saying this isn't political, and still get in a thinly veiled shot at Trump.
By SloFanniBrennan with Foreword by 4Cubbies
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
75484 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:11 am to
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Bloomberg


El Oh El

If anybody has their finger on the pulse of the matter, by God you can believe it's Bloomberg.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31834 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:18 am to
Jason Leopold is a FOIA expert. Maybe one of the best.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11122 posts
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:21 am to
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Houag80


How long ago was it that Bondi told you the Epstein Files were on her desk? Now Trump is trying to release the GJ Testimony which he knows can't and won't happen but pass this off as 'The Files'. Why won't Bondi just release the files that were on her desk months ago?
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