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re: NYT Scoop about CIA Ukraine bases was done as 200 interviews inside actual CIA buildings

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Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
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Posted on 2/28/24 at 6:29 pm to
CIA desperately wants a war with Russia. I think by publicizing these CIA bases, they are baiting Putin into striking one. Then they can show pictures of dead CIA agents and demand that the US retaliate. This guarantees them an unlimited budget for many years.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:08 am to
I don't think they would do anything that would harm their own people.

Great to read about the cooperation between friendly countries. Keep it up fellahs!
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:33 am to
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I don't think they would do anything that would harm their own people.




Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:39 am to
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CIA desperately wants a war with Russia


But why? That seems fricking stupid and unnecessary...

And

Who holds the CIA accountable?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:43 am to
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Who holds the CIA accountable?



No one.

Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:02 am to
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To create the image that the funds for Ukraine are desperately needed and put pressure on Mike Johnson to get it done. That's the only argument I see at this point.

This or someone was already investigating and they needed to get out in front of it. Limited hangout is a very real thing.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:15 am to
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I don't think they would do anything that would harm their own people.


You are joking right? CIA leadership could care less about “their own people.”

Did the Army care about the soldiers they got killed pulling out of Afghanistan? They had multiple reports of a suicide bomber at that gate but command didn’t care.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:17 am to
LINK twitter link. it's almost like the west wants ww3.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/1/24 at 8:11 am to
Former CIA officer Larry Johnson weighs in.
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NY TIMES PLAYS CIA MESSENGER — TURN OFF THE LIGHTS, THE PARTY IS OVER

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Yes, it is true that U.S. intelligence, along with NATO, supplied Ukraine with intelligence used to carry out missile strikes on Russian positions. Admitting this in the pages of the NY Times is reckless and dangerous. I am pretty sure the Russians already knew this but putting this on the record with U.S. intelligence sources is a casus belli for Russia. Can you imagine the reaction if Russian intelligence confirmed they provided intel to a group or country that attacked the U.S.? Do you think Washington would ignore that and not seek retribution? Of course not

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The propaganda purpose of the article is revealed by the decision of the reporters to repeat the specious claims that Russia shot down Malaysia Airlines flight 17 and that Russia “meddled” in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election. We have had a slew of revelations over the last two months, principally from Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger, showing that it was the Clinton campaign with the help of the CIA and the FBI who meddled in the 2016 Presidential campaign in a failed effort to defeat Donald Trump. Entous and Schwirtz insert the bogus claim that Ukraine fingered the Russian officer responsible for “election interference.”

In one joint operation, a HUR team duped an officer from Russia’s military intelligence service into providing information that allowed the C.I.A. to connect Russia’s government to the so-called Fancy Bear hacking group, which had been linked to election interference efforts in a number of countries.

No. Fancy Bear was a CIA creation that used Vault 7 tools to create a fake cyber trail that implicated Russian intelligence. I discussed the CIA’s role in this operation four years ago in my piece, DID JOHN BRENNAN’S CIA CREATE GUCCIFER 2.0 AND DCLEAKS? Here is the relevant portion of that piece:

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The goal of the Entous/Schwirtz article is simple — portray the CIA as a great organization who did magnificent work in Ukraine but were not able to complete the mission of destroying Russia because the Republican Congress failed to provide funding and the Ukrainian intelligence service was uncontrollable.

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We’re then treated to a litany of all the incredible secrets the CIA passed to Ukraine about Russia’s plans to murder the government and military leaders in Kiev. But we’re also told that the CIA trained Ukie intel squads are something of a Rogue Elephant.

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Got it? Budanov is a reckless, out of control spy. Message delivered. Entous and Schwirtz then return to the narrative of how great a job the CIA did in protecting Ukraine from those nasty Russians. For example, they recount how the CIA informed Zelensky that Ukraine had stopped the Russian invasion cold at the end of March 2022:

When the Russian assault on Kyiv had stalled, the C.I.A. station chief rejoiced and told his Ukrainian counterparts that they were “punching the Russians in the face,” according to a Ukrainian officer who was in the room.

This is not true. It is a lie. Not a word is written about the negotiations that were underway in Turkey between Russia and Ukraine that had reached an agreement in principle until the U.S. and the U.K. intervened and ordered the Ukrainians to walk away. Can’t have that in this narrative. Nope. Got to find someone else to blame for the unfolding debacle. And Entous and Schwirtz oblige with this off-hand paragraph at the end of their piece:

The question that some Ukrainian intelligence officers are now asking their American counterparts — as Republicans in the House weigh whether to cut off billions of dollars in aid — is whether the C.I.A. will abandon them. “It happened in Afghanistan before and now it’s going to happen in Ukraine,” a senior Ukrainian officer said.

The answer to that question is left hanging. Entous and Schwirtz did their job — they polished up the CIA turd and laid the foundation of blame for the looming defeat at the hands of the Republican Congress and an out-of-control Ukrainian intel chief, Budanov. Once you grasp this you can understand why Kiril Budanov has been on the record in the press this week denying the U.S. claim that Putin killed Russian-dissident Nalvani and that Russia is using Iranian and North Korean missiles. Looks like Budanov understands he can no longer count on the CIA to have his back.

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This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 8:17 am
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