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NYT opinion piece: A Deal for Iran: Normalization for Normalization
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:34 am
Not linking the New York Times, but for the TLDR it’s, the US should bend over and put 0 pressure on Iran in hopes that they will behave. Much like Great Britain and France in the 1930s were with Germany.
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There has always been a fair and symmetrical formula for the United States and Iran to resolve the full range of their differences: full normalization for full normalization. Donald Trump, who may — but probably doesn’t — want a war with the Islamic republic, should propose it, publicly and in detail, and see what happens.
It will be clarifying for everyone.
What is normalization? From the U.S. side, it would mean the immediate suspension of every economic and diplomatic sanction imposed by this or previous administrations. It would mean an American Embassy in Tehran and an Iranian one in Washington. It would mean direct flights between Iranian and American cities. It would mean two-way trade, direct investment, and the end of secondary sanctions that punish non-U.S. companies for doing business in Iran. It would mean tens of thousands of Iranian students once again enrolled in U.S. universities, and tens of thousands of American tourists once again exploring the grand bazaars of Iranian cities.
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Iran’s people could surely use that deal. Since Trump reimposed U.S. sanctions last year, Iran’s oil exports have fallen by more than half, inflation has spiked to close to 40 percent and the rial has lost about 60 percent of its value against the dollar. Iran’s economy is expected to contract by 6 percent this year. By some estimates, a third of all Iranians live in absolute, not relative, poverty, unable to afford the most basic staples of life.
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As for the Iranian side, normalization would mean behaving like a normal country.
A normal country, with the world’s fourth-largest proven oil reserves, is one that wouldn’t need to embark on multiple underground programs to enrich uranium and produce plutonium. It wouldn’t have engaged in extensive experimental work to figure out how to detonate a fissile nuclear core. It wouldn’t have retained an illicit network to circumvent Western restrictions on the sale of dual-use technologies for its missile programs.
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A normal country is one that would not perpetrate terrorist massacres in Argentina. It wouldn’t seek to murder (via a Mexican drug cartel) the Saudi ambassador at a Washington, D.C., restaurant. It wouldn’t attempt an assassination plot in Denmark, or a bombing attack in France.
A normal country would not furnish military, financial and logistical support for Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, who seems to have resumed using chemical weapons against his enemies. It wouldn’t supply the Taliban with weapons, training and new recruits. It wouldn’t provide its proxies in Yemen with ballistic missiles, especially now that those proxies are firing missiles at Mecca. It wouldn’t be a principal sponsor for militias and terrorist groups throughout the Middle East. It wouldn’t constantly avow and seek, at considerable cost to itself, the destruction of another state with which it has neither a historical nor territorial conflict.
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A normal country wouldn’t hang gay people. It wouldn’t imprison women in their own clothes. It wouldn’t constantly arrest foreign nationals, including American journalists, on trumped-up charges as a means of gaining diplomatic or financial leverage.
In short, under the terms of a normalization-for-normalization deal, Iran could relieve itself of all U.S. pressure by permanently abandoning its nuclear ambitions, its human rights outrages and its reckless international behavior. That’s not a big ask.
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Or at least it shouldn’t be, which is why Trump ought to deliver it in a carefully written speech — the kind normal presidents make about vital international and domestic topics. Mike Pompeo laid out roughly similar terms in his own speech on Iran a year ago, but his tone was more bellicose than beguiling. Trump prefers the combination of brash moves with simple messages. This would be it.
It would also be unlikely to win over Iran’s leaders. Death to America — and to Israel — aren’t propagandistic slogans for the regime. They are its reason for being and its motive for action. The regime’s objections to the United States don’t date to 1953 and U.S. connivance in the ouster of Mohammad Mosaddegh as prime minister of Iran (a coup the clerics supported at the time). They date to 1776 and the birth of political liberalism, the enemy of all theocratic and virtue-centric politics.
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An American bombing campaign in Iran could hurt the regime. Complete and genuine normalization would, over time, be fatal to it. It would mean, as Trump put it the other day, Iran’s “official end” — not as a nation, but as the regime that has tyrannized that nation for 40 years.
Last week’s saber-rattling is unlikely to lead to a confrontation neither side wants. Trump thinks that avoiding war is crucial to his re-election. Tehran thinks Trump is more likely to be a one-termer if it can wait him out without a war. These are incompatible analyses, but they should induce mutual caution.
All the more reason for Trump to seize the initiative. Normalization for normalization is a concept this and future U.S. administrations could embrace. It’s one ordinary Americans and Iranians alike could understand. And it’s one Iran’s leaders would fear. Let them be the ones to explain why Iranian children should go hungry so Hamas can aim its fire at Jews.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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the US should bend over and put 0 pressure on Iran in hopes that they will behave.
frick all that.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:39 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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From the U.S. side, it would mean the immediate suspension of every economic and diplomatic sanction imposed by this or previous administrations. It would mean an American Embassy in Tehran and an Iranian one in Washington. It would mean direct flights between Iranian and American cities. It would mean two-way trade, direct investment, and the end of secondary sanctions that punish non-U.S. companies for doing business in Iran. It would mean tens of thousands of Iranian students once again enrolled in U.S. universities, and tens of thousands of American tourists once again exploring the grand bazaars of Iranian cities.
Well there's that whole "death to America" and "great satan" business to consider.
Also, consider...three decades after normalizing relations with China...are they more like us or are we more like them?
A little leaven shall leaven the whole lump, and bad company corrupts good character.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:39 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Religious zealots see appeasement as weakness. They will not stop doing as they have been doing, indeed, as they are compelled to do by their religious beliefs as they see it.
Obama blew this, the people were near revolt, and he would not support them. The way to defeat this regime is hold the course, and should such an opportunity again present itself, support it wholeheartedly and overthrow the mullahs.
Obama blew this, the people were near revolt, and he would not support them. The way to defeat this regime is hold the course, and should such an opportunity again present itself, support it wholeheartedly and overthrow the mullahs.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:45 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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It would mean tens of thousands of Iranian students once again enrolled in U.S. universities
Sounds wonderful.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:47 am to TigerFanInSouthland
NT74: Nuance, guys.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:47 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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A normal country would not furnish military, financial and logistical support for Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, who seems to have resumed using chemical weapons against his enemies.
A stupid person wrote this.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:50 am to Lima Whiskey
Well he’s a NYT commenter so...
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:50 am to TigerFanInSouthland
nyt can kiss my @ss
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:51 am to Eli Goldfinger
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It would mean tens of thousands of Iranian students once again enrolled in U.S. universities
We have enough Muslims here already.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:52 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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the US should bend over and put 0 pressure on Iran in hopes that they will behave
Yes, boys and girls, liberals are THAT F*CKING STUPID.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:54 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Get as much of that $150 Billion back, then F up the rest of that shitehole. Remotely of course. Don't risk any American blood on that wasteland
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:00 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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From the U.S. side, it would mean the immediate suspension of every economic and diplomatic sanction imposed by this or previous administrations. It would mean an American Embassy in Tehran and an Iranian one in Washington. It would mean direct flights between Iranian and American cities. It would mean two-way trade, direct investment, and the end of secondary sanctions that punish non-U.S. companies for doing business in Iran. It would mean tens of thousands of Iranian students once again enrolled in U.S. universities, and tens of thousands of American tourists once again exploring the grand bazaars of Iranian cities.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I don't understand why anyone would oppose what the author is saying but the author offers no way to make Iran "normal".
I could not care less about what is going on in Iran. I say get us out of there and let the Arabs and the Jews deal with the Persians.
I could not care less about what is going on in Iran. I say get us out of there and let the Arabs and the Jews deal with the Persians.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:20 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Allow me to enhance your statement.
We have way too many Muslims here already.
We have way too many Muslims here already.
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:22 am to I B Freeman
You know what the best and quickest and cheapest way to get us out of this Iran mess would be??
Run this video on Fox and other media outlets Trump watches with the tag line "some in the Trump administration agree with John MaCain on Iran". Trump would freak and would immediately get us out of this confrontation.
Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran
Run this video on Fox and other media outlets Trump watches with the tag line "some in the Trump administration agree with John MaCain on Iran". Trump would freak and would immediately get us out of this confrontation.
Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:25 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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the US should bend over and put 0 pressure on Iran in hopes that they will behave.
They are just like North Korea, illegal immigrants and Democrats, give an inch and they will want a mile.
Hold hard on the sanctions, they are working.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:56 am to TigerFanInSouthland
The last human beings on the face of the earth you can trust are Muslims...they feel an obligation to strike you for trusting them as they will absolutely take your trust as a sign of weakness. And they may be right. Lying for advantage is a part of their culture.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:02 am to jimdog
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The last human beings on the face of the earth you can trust are Muslims...they feel an obligation to strike you for trusting them as they will absolutely take your trust as a sign of weakness. And they may be right. Lying for advantage is a part of their culture.
fricking bingo
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:27 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Indonesia will be one of the biggest benefactors of the trade war. Last year when imported about $30 billion from there.
They are the largest Muslim country by far.
They are the largest Muslim country by far.
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