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re: NYT implying John Bolton is Trump's next Nat sec advisor

Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:07 pm to
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:07 pm to
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Bolton is the worst.



You just don't like his music. At least he cut his hair.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
87619 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:08 pm to
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But you’ll confidently say I didn’t vote for Trump. So you’re full of shite? Got it. Thanks for playing.




Link?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:09 pm to
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What have they done so far.


Accessed areas of historical influence to undermine American objectives, committing as little resources directly as possible, relying on proxies, uniting internal Iranian factions, and winning access to the Med. through their own efforts. They've also strengthened ties with allies, have formed a proxy state in parts of Southern Iraq, and have non-Iranian groups fighting for them where those groups and Iranian objectives align.

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Yeah...not at all insane.



In terms of foreign policy, they are not insane. They practice the same realpolitik that everyone does. What they do to their citizens has no bearing on how they behave geopolitically, where they are a rational actor. We can judge that rationality by judging their actions. Nothing they've done geopolitically has indicated they are irrational or insane. Please provide evidence of this insanity. If you understood the difference between Shia's and Sunni's you could understand why the Shia are more able to adapt because of structural features of the sect.

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If we could get those stink people out of there and open up some burger joints and Chik-Fil-A's, that whole region would be better off.



I've said the way to undermine the regime is to trade with them, but that would require the US and its allies to change their approach.
Posted by JakeScott
Lake Lanier
Member since Oct 2015
695 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:10 pm to
Someone please link Tucker Carlson's interview with Bolton from last week. The last 20 seconds is must-see TV. Tucker leaves no doubt what he thinks of Mr. Bolton.
(At work , can't do)
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:15 pm to
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I’m waiting for Straight Cash Homey to get in here and talk about how much more reasonable the Shi’a are than the Sunni radicals in Saudi Arabia. He is always on point in these kinds of discussions.



The Shia have some structural features that make them more adaptable in general. Firstly the hierarchy, with the marja', at the top allows them to delineate goals for groups committed to that marja'. Secondly, nearly all Shia are of the Usuli subschool of the Jafari school, and one feature of the Usuli is the ability of the marja' to use reasoning to nullify hadiths which have evidence of unreliability. This combined with taqlid allows them to reason around whatever inconveniences they face, and is a major reason that the Wahhabi/Salafi sect despises the Shia, as they consider this reasoning out of the hadiths to be heretical. The combination of the taqlid and marja' system aids to the sense of hierarchical structure that is useful in organizing and resisting.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20114 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:15 pm to
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Just what we need...another war and attempt at regime change for the benefit of the Saudi’s and the Israeli’s. Bolton has been urging for this since the 1980’s.


Trump took care of NK w/out firing a shot. Iran will be the same way. People don't seem to understand this President is not like the others.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:20 pm to
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Accessed areas of historical influence to undermine American objectives, committing as little resources directly as possible, relying on proxies, uniting internal Iranian factions, and winning access to the Med. through their own efforts. They've also strengthened ties with allies, have formed a proxy state in parts of Southern Iraq, and have non-Iranian groups fighting for them where those groups and Iranian objectives align.



So they're a bunch of anti American traitors. They're on the wrong side of history.

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In terms of foreign policy, they are not insane.


I wasn't referring to their "foreign policy" daydreams, I was referring to them as people...sad, evil, soulless people with dead eyes...black eyes..like a dolls eyes.

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I've said the way to undermine the regime is to trade with them,


Even though they are insane, they know a bit of history and can see how that whole "We just want to trade with you guys!" shtick worked out for the Indians. They probably have some reservations about taking that approach.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
15920 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:25 pm to
LINK

5 down, baaaawwwww
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:37 pm to
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So they're a bunch of anti American traitors. They're on the wrong side of history.



That's what you took from that? What allowed them to access areas of historical Persian influence?

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I wasn't referring to their "foreign policy" daydreams, I was referring to them as people...sad, evil, soulless people with dead eyes...black eyes..like a dolls eyes.



So you suggest they are too insane to negotiate with, and then say you weren't referring to their foreign policy? What in the hell are you talking about? Please start bringing some substance.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
87619 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:42 pm to
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But you’ll confidently say I didn’t vote for Trump. So you’re full of shite? Got it. Thanks for playing. 



I dont see me posting any of this baaawwww
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:43 pm to
Thats funny right there..I don't care who you are.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:43 pm to
Lol.

The media keeps trying to plug John Bolton into the West Wing to neocon up the joint and break Trump's base apart. It hasn't worked yet and I highly doubt it will work this time.
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
15920 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:45 pm to
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I dont see me posting any of this baaawwww




You must be dumb then.

:rotflmao:
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 2:47 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:46 pm to
It's clear you don't know what you are talking about with regards to Iran. You can believe what you like though.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:48 pm to
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Trump took care of NK w/out firing a shot.
i havent been on here in a while, but did assume no one would be dumb enough to believe the NK thing.

but Id forgotten about this board. and yes, of course you believe it, why wouldn't you.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
87619 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:58 pm to
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But you’ll confidently say I didn’t vote for Trump


Link me the post of me saying this?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:00 pm to
Amazing!
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37806 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:09 pm to
Another substantive post! Bravo.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:13 pm to
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It's clear you don't know what you are talking about with regards to Iran.



Those Mullahs sure got you conned. If they were so smart, they wouldn't be so dumb and smelly. Do they have 1 good rib joint in the whole "country"? A good pulled pork sandwich is impossible to find without "connections". Most of the people walk around all day in their pajamas looking like they just got out of the shower....except they don't take showers there.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
38235 posts
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:15 pm to
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Maggie Haberman


fake news bull shite artist
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