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re: Nurse who injected 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine gets probation
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:43 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:43 pm to Indefatigable
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It doesn’t matter how I would feel. The doctor in that scenario would be unequivocally wrong in his actions and in lying about the treatment he provided.
Legally yes, but are you going to tell me that if you were given the option to file a lawsuit against him you would do so?
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:44 pm to jnethe1
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Many people believe in Santa clause too.
Do you not see the problem then? If someone who still to this very day has read all of the medical journals and studies about the vaccine and still wants to go get it yet is lied to about receiving it from a medical provider, that is ok to you?
What gives that nurse the right to do that? The ONLY opinion on the vaccine that matters in this scenario is that of the patient. That's it.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:45 pm to jnethe1
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Legally yes, but are you going to tell me that if you were given the option to file a lawsuit against him you would do so?
Absolutely, and his state medical board would revoke every license or certification he had.
There is no place in medical practice for lying.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:47 pm to Indefatigable
quote:We are discussing who has the right to force people to not get the jab (by deception). It is therefore valid to discuss those who would force people to get the job (by deception or otherwise).
Correct, but of course all of that is totally irrelevant to this thread.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:48 pm to Indefatigable
You are choosing to say it is irrelevant so as to not allow it to be considered in this argument. But it will be considered and should be.
Did these vaccines go through the normal trials vaccines go through?
Are they vaccines in the traditional sense?
Is it healthcare to give a patient a known unknown whilst also knowing that the vaccine does not do the job it is said to do?
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It has nothing to do with the media and everything to do with the most basic principles of healthcare.
Did these vaccines go through the normal trials vaccines go through?
Are they vaccines in the traditional sense?
Is it healthcare to give a patient a known unknown whilst also knowing that the vaccine does not do the job it is said to do?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:49 pm to jnethe1
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You will think and do as they demand without ever questioning anything. Even when it is proven that you were lied to you defend it.
Interesting words from someone applauding removal of choice.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:49 pm to Indefatigable
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Absolutely, and his state medical board would revoke every license or certification he had.
Wow, so you would rather your own child had been exposed to a known unknown. Then learn that that unknown is many different side effects, all whilst the vaccine didn’t do its job? You are fricking nuts man.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:50 pm to VolcanicTiger
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We are discussing who has the right to force people to not get the jab
No we aren’t. We are discussing a nurse lying to patients about their care.
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It is therefore valid to discuss those who would force people to get the job (
No it isn’t. If she felt that the vaccine posed a threat to her patients she had an obligation to either inform them of her opinion and request an affirmative consent to the jab, or she should have refused to administer the vaccine.
There is no circumstance where her conduct was acceptable.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:50 pm to jnethe1
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Did these vaccines go through the normal trials vaccines go through?
Are they vaccines in the traditional sense?
Is it healthcare to give a patient a known unknown whilst also knowing that the vaccine does not do the job it is said to do?
Dude none of that matters. She made a decision that wasn't hers to make. You're making yourself look like a clown defending such horrible behavior
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:51 pm to jnethe1
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Wow, so you would rather your own child had been exposed to a known unknown. Then learn that that unknown is many different side effects, all whilst the vaccine didn’t do its job? You are fricking nuts man.
None of that is relevant to whether the doctor is permitted to lie about the care they administer.
I make the healthcare decisions for my child. Not the doctor alone. It really is that simple.
It’s almost impossible to believe that you cannot see that.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:52 pm to jnethe1
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Is it healthcare to give a patient a known unknown whilst also knowing that the vaccine does not do the job it is said to do?
Nope. She should have exercised actual conviction and refused to participate if she felt strongly that the vaccine posed a threat.
You seem to be under the mistaken belief that the vaccine itself is even a factor in analyzing her behavior. It isn’t.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:53 pm to Indefatigable
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It’s almost impossible to believe that you cannot see that.
It's pretty mind blowing to think that this opinion as absurd as it is seems to be a strong majority opinion here. Anyone with a 5th grade education and some sense of ethics can figure out this nurse is a horrible person.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:01 pm to Indefatigable
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There is no circumstance where her conduct was acceptable.
And not that it matters but she is just a nurse. Her personal opinion about the vaccine is not worth consideration
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:39 pm to jnethe1
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all whilst the vaccine didn’t do its job
So are you of the opinion that it literally has zero value? Because there isn't a reputable study that would support that claim.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:32 pm to Indefatigable
quote:Yes you are, it's just that some of you are like little dogs with little bones and you can't let go.
No we aren’t. We are discussing a nurse lying to patients about their care.
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There is no circumstance where her conduct was acceptable.
Not entirely true. However, as bad as she was, so are all the people pushing it without regard for the safety, just because they think they're supposed to be pushing it because that's what sheeple do.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:34 pm to Powerman
I didn’t take the vax nor do I believe in mandates for young healthy people.
I do believe it is of value for the elderly.A neighbor is 87 with significant lung disease.He’s vaxxed and boosted and has had Covid 3 times but was never hospitalized.I know several others with similar stories.Elderly with comorbities such as diabetes,heart disease,obesity. Vaxxed and boosted,still got Covid so it obviously didn’t prevent it but yet they came through it without much difficulty and not hospitalized.
Dr Robert Malone’s recommendation from the beginning was to give it to the elderly and those with co-morbitities.
The original article clearly stated some of the patients were over 70.
A nurse is never justified in making unilateral decisions about what medications a patient receives and lying about it.
Can a chemotherapy nurse decide to give a cancer patient a placebo because the drug is unlikely to cure them?
Can a nurse give a child a placebo rather than measles or mumps vaccine because they are against all vaccines?
The honorable thing for her to do would have been to refuse and resign if it came to that.
She clearly wasn’t honorable because she lied about how many patients she gave saline.She was outed after antibody tests were given to thousands of patients and they showed up negative.
I do believe it is of value for the elderly.A neighbor is 87 with significant lung disease.He’s vaxxed and boosted and has had Covid 3 times but was never hospitalized.I know several others with similar stories.Elderly with comorbities such as diabetes,heart disease,obesity. Vaxxed and boosted,still got Covid so it obviously didn’t prevent it but yet they came through it without much difficulty and not hospitalized.
Dr Robert Malone’s recommendation from the beginning was to give it to the elderly and those with co-morbitities.
The original article clearly stated some of the patients were over 70.
A nurse is never justified in making unilateral decisions about what medications a patient receives and lying about it.
Can a chemotherapy nurse decide to give a cancer patient a placebo because the drug is unlikely to cure them?
Can a nurse give a child a placebo rather than measles or mumps vaccine because they are against all vaccines?
The honorable thing for her to do would have been to refuse and resign if it came to that.
She clearly wasn’t honorable because she lied about how many patients she gave saline.She was outed after antibody tests were given to thousands of patients and they showed up negative.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:38 pm to Powerman
quote:"Zero" as in no upside, or "zero" in that the benefits outweigh the risks in the population at large, or in specific sub-groups? Because both positions are equal in that there is no credible study to make their case.
So are you of the opinion that it literally has zero value? Because there isn't a reputable study that would support that claim.
Which ties into my point: you cannot attack a nurse for doing the ethical and intellectual equivalent of what doctors are doing. The only reason you pussies are wringing your hands over her is that her deception happened at a different stage.
EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR who told you that they knew the vaccine worked and smugly tapped on the copy of their degree they posted in every exam room was either A). lying or B). telling you a load of bullshite that they believed wholeheartedly. The latter sounds a bit less indicting of the doctors, right? So that's where the nurse is in this comparison.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 6:28 am to Indefatigable
quote:she purposely injected them with something other than what was prescribed/requested. This isn't "lying", its malpractice and should be criminally prosecuted. The same type of malpractice that the medical community used to prevent people from seeking other remedies for covid in favor of the vaccine. I can't understand why both sides of the vaccine debate can't see this.
The nurse lied to the patients. She provided care that they did not consent to
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:26 am to VolcanicTiger
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"Zero" as in no upside, or "zero" in that the benefits outweigh the risks in the population at large, or in specific sub-groups? Because both positions are equal in that there is no credible study to make their case.
Here is the thing. It wasn't her decision to make risk analysis decisions for other people. Until you understand that there is no point in listening to anything you have to say on the topic.
If you want a seat at the adult table you need to learn how to use the utensils.
Posted on 12/3/22 at 11:29 am to jnethe1
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but are you going to tell me that if you were given the option to file a lawsuit against him you would do so?
Some people really believe, and this nurse deprived them of choice.
Are you a communist?
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