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re: Nurse who injected 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine gets probation
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:31 pm to jnethe1
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:31 pm to jnethe1
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The efficacy of hydroxychloroquine is known, and the side effects are known. So it would be completely political to not administer it. But that actually did happen. Doctors and pharmacists were actively choosing to not prescribe it even if their patients specifically said that is what they wanted. Not an issue with that right?
Completely different scenario. The doctors and pharmacists in your hypothetical did not lie to their patients about what they were being given.
The nurse absolutely does not have the right to deprive her patients of informed consent. It’s black and white. Open and shut.
That others lied about the vaccine DOES NOT change that fact. She is wrong. Others may also be wrong, but she is 100% in the wrong, and it’s why she’ll never work in medicine again.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 4:33 pm
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:35 pm to Indefatigable
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A decision that is unequivocally not hers to make. She is not allowed to lie. She should have refused to give the injections, not lied to patients and injected them with a placebo.
Neither was it anyone else’s decision. The ability to made that decision was taken away. It was not people choosing to get the COVID vaccine, it was people choosing to keep their job, to keep their standard of living, to have the ability to see loved ones… etc
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Completely irrelevant to her behavior. She didn’t refuse to give the vaccine, she lied about it.
Wrong, she made the decision to stay at her post and do what she felt was right (and as it turns out she was) instead of walking away and allowing others to be subjected to a known unknown.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:35 pm to GVT
quote:If you had sought and located a healthcare provider who was willing at your request to inject you with saline and provide you with falsified records of an actual vaccination, that person might be an “angel” in your (weird) view.
Damn, where was this lady when Ochsner forced me to take this shite. She's an angel.
That does not remotely describe this woman. She fraudulently misled her patients as to what she was actually doing.
Do you truly not see the difference?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:38 pm to jnethe1
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She made the decision to not inject an unknown into people. Something that known to be completely untested. She took a risk, and in retrospect she made the correct decision. There is no doubting that. We were all told the vaccines worked, but no one knew the potential side effects.
So if the COVID vaccines had proven to be more effective you would have been OK with your provider calling an audible during a flu shot without your knowledge?
"As long as it all works out." That's where you draw the line on allowing choice?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:38 pm to jnethe1
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Neither was it anyone else’s decision.
Yes it is. The individual patient consented to a covid vaccine and was given something else.
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was not people choosing to get the COVID vaccine, it was people choosing to keep their job, to keep their standard of living, to have the ability to see loved ones… etc
And they STILL consented ONLY to receiving the covid vaccine. Nothing else. Their reason for seeking the vaccine is irrelevant. They still sought it and it was her obligation to give it to them.
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Wrong, she made the decision to stay at her post and do what she felt was right (and as it turns out she was) instead of walking away and allowing others to be subjected to a known unknown.
And yet she was entirely wrong. It is never acceptable under any circumstances to lie to patients about what they are being given.
Defending this is clown world shite.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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She chose to not inject a known unknown into those patients. In retrospect she made the correct decision and spared them from the side effects of something that was known to not do the job it was said to do.
FIFY
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:39 pm to tarzana
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Didn't The Magnificent One once recommend bleach injections as a COVID therapy?
No. That’s why Celticprog looks so fricking stupid.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:41 pm to Indefatigable
I am not arguing whether what she did was legal, I am stating that she did what was right. She could have walked away from her job and not expose herself to this problem. But instead she chose to do what she felt was right. In retrospect she made the right decision. That can not be debated.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:43 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:where have you been hiding?
Jorts R Us
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:43 pm to AggieHank86
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That does not remotely describe this woman. She fraudulently misled her patients as to what she was actually doing.
Wrong. She made the decision to not administer a known unknown due to her own convictions. This was not a selfish decision made with bad intentions. And in retrospect she made the correct decision.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:44 pm to jnethe1
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I am not arguing whether what she did was legal, I am stating that she did what was right.
Then I am very glad you don’t work in healthcare or in drafting legislation. Any type of support for a provider directly lying to patients about what they are doing is absurd.
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But instead she chose to do what she felt was right.
How she feels could not matter less.
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In retrospect she made the right decision
No she did not. She failed every ethic and responsibility of her profession. There is nothing commendable about lying to patients about their care. Nothing at all.
If she had actual courage or actual convictions, she would have outright refused to give the shots, or gotten the consent of the patients to give them a placebo. She didn’t. She chose to lie, and she is completely wrong for it.
The efficacy of the vaccine and it’s side effects are not relevant, at all, to this analysis. She lied. The end.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:45 pm to jnethe1
quote:Therein lies the problem with authoritarians.
That can not be debated.
In a just society, EVERYTHING should be subject to debate.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:46 pm to AggieHank86
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where have you been hiding?
Took a little break. Let's see how long it takes me to get into a slapfight with another poster.
Good to see you.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 4:52 pm to Jorts R Us
Haven’t kept up with this and not going read it all. If it were here, she would lose her license, probably be charged with practicing medicine without a license many felonies and if any of those 8000+ people died, charged with manslaughter. She would be unable to prove that they would have died anyway, vaccinated or not. Just my take.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:04 pm to Indefatigable
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Yes it is. The individual patient consented to a covid vaccine and was given something else.
But it was not a choice they were allowed to make.
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And they STILL consented ONLY to receiving the covid vaccine. Nothing else.
Lol, only the Covid vaccine? That is a very peculiar way of describing it.
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Their reason for seeking the vaccine is irrelevant. They still sought it and it was her obligation to give it to them.
It was not a choice to get said vaccine, it was a choice to keep the way of life many had.
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And yet she was entirely wrong. It is never acceptable under any circumstances to lie to patients about what they are being given.
She was in the wrong, I am not debating that her decisions were wrong legally. In retrospect she indeed made the right decision.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:06 pm to Diamondawg
quote:no need. It is just 19 pages of some variation on one side saying “she is a fraudulent liar“ on the other side saying “she is an angel of mercy.“
Haven’t kept up with this and not going read it all.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:06 pm to AggieHank86
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In a just society, EVERYTHING should be subject to debate.
I am saying that no one can present an argument that would convince anyone with an ounce of logic that she made the right decision. Authoritarians force people to make the decisions that they want or lose their way of life. Such as the people who wanted everyone to be forced to get the vaccine.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:08 pm to Diamondawg
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She would be unable to prove that they would have died anyway, vaccinated or not. Just my take.
Saline solution is not going to kill anyone. And the Covid vaccine has been acknowledged as never being able to prevent or halt Covid by the companies themselves.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:10 pm to jnethe1
quote:and they are wrong and should be in jail. But this nurse committed malpractice. If she didn't want to administer the vaccine she should have refused. Replacing it with something else without the patients permission should be a criminal act
Authoritarians force people to make the decisions that they want or lose their way of life. Such as the people who wanted everyone to be forced to get the vaccine.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:11 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
I hope she has her fricking license revoked.
It’s not her place or choice to make.
It’s not her place or choice to make.
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