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re: Nurse who injected 8,600 patients with saline instead of Covid vaccine gets probation
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:52 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:52 pm to jimmy the leg
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I have stated repeatedly that my analogy referenced this post from you (in this thread). quote:No one in the United States was forced to take anything. If any of your friends chose to take the vaccine, that was their choice entirely.
Yes I know the conversation. I was a part of it. Your rape analogy was stupid, and the entire discussion of mandates is entirely irrelevant to the thread, which is why I dropped it.
Nothing could possibly excuse a nurse directly and intentionally lying to thousands of people about what she was injecting in their body. Doesn’t matter what mandate was issued, what the shot was, whether it works, or anything else.
She is wrong, period.
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Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:52 pm to PsychTiger
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Why do you want more elderly people to die?
It was their choice. I'd be pissed if I selected a procedure and a doctor did a fakeout.
That's not their decision to make. Just like it's my decision to not get vaxxed. This isn't hard...
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:53 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Are you assuming the dishonesty started with the nurse?
Nope. But it’s also not relevant where it started. She’s STILL entirely and indefensibly in the wrong.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:53 pm to Powerman
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If you're celebrating this person you are both a moron and a piece of shite
So it would have been better to inject them with something that the manufacturers have admitted does not help?
What a dumb pos you are.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:55 pm to jnethe1
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So it would have been better to inject them with something that the manufacturers have admitted does not help?
No, it would have been better for her not to lie.
Refusing to give the vaccine is NOT the issue. Lying is.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:55 pm to Indefatigable
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So you are ok with the nurse lying to patients and injecting something in their bodies they did not consent to?
Well, I'm not ok with the dishonesty of the institutions we rely on for truth and I'm not ok with dishonesty from individual providers.
But if I were a nurse who was instructed to provide a 10 year old puberty blockers I might consider giving them a placebo instead, kind of like saline.
Once our institutions are corrupted (they are) all social norms and expectations kind of go out the window. We devolve into the triage of personal risk versus societal harm.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:56 pm to Indefatigable
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Once again, my opinion here has NOTHING to do with what the treatment was or supposed to be. The nurse lying is the issue, and one that no one should excuse.
I didnt excuse her actions. I did ask you about the legality of coerced vaccinations and whether those that promoted the forced coercion are guilty of a crime and punishment.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:56 pm to Azkiger
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It was their choice. I'd be pissed if I selected a procedure and a doctor did a fakeout. That's not their decision to make.
Agreed
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:56 pm to Turbeauxdog
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But if I were a nurse who was instructed to provide a 10 year old puberty blockers I might consider giving them a placebo instead, kind of like saline. Once our institutions are corrupted (they are) all social norms and expectations kind of go out the window. We devolve into the triage of personal risk versus societal harm.
This is a particularly relevant hypothetical since it wasn’t the situation. /s
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:57 pm to Indefatigable
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Nope. But it’s also not relevant where it started. She’s STILL entirely and indefensibly in the wrong.
If she net saved lives , given we can't rely on the net social benefit of institutional legitimacy, lines get a lot more blurry
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:57 pm to tigerfan 64
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I did ask you about the legality of coerced vaccinations and whether those that promoted the forced coercion are guilty of a crime and punishment.
And I answered that I don’t care. I didn’t get the vaccine, and wouldn’t have gotten it had my job required it.
My answers to those questions have no relevance whatsoever to the subject of this thread.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:58 pm to Turbeauxdog
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If she net saved lives , given we can't rely on the net social benefit of institutional legitimacy, lines get a lot more blurry
Not in any way. She’s still completely in the wrong and in total violation of every ethical and professional responsibility of her profession.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:58 pm to Indefatigable
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This is a particularly relevant hypothetical since it wasn’t the situatio
It was a perfect analogy. Those are often lost on the stupid though.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:59 pm to Indefatigable
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Your rape analogy was stupid
It was rape or murder. It isn’t much of a choice.
That’s the point.
You seem to think that having a mandate forced on people is cool (Get vaxxed or axed), I don’t.
Again, it isn’t much of a choice.
You do you though.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:59 pm to Turbeauxdog
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It was a perfect analogy. Those are often lost on the stupid though.
Not it wasn’t. Ten year olds are minors. That alone adds a level of analysis that makes it totally irrelevant to the issue of consenting adults being lied to.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 9:59 pm to Indefatigable
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professional responsibility of her profession.
Built on institutional legitimacy that no longer exists.
You're just having intellectual difficulty with this.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:00 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Those are often lost on the stupid though.
Or it's lost on people who think 10 year olds should be given blockers.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:00 pm to dgnx6
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The vaccinated are dying from covid.
Nobody is dying from covid at this point
People are dying with covid
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:00 pm to jimmy the leg
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You seem to think that having a mandate forced on people is cool (Get vaxxed or axed), I don’t.
Nope. No post I have made in this thread endorses or excuses any vaccine mandate.
Posted on 12/1/22 at 10:00 pm to Indefatigable
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Ten year olds are minors
Treatment authorized by patients (parents)
Keep flailing though
This post was edited on 12/1/22 at 10:06 pm
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