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re: Not Just An Innocent Jogger!
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:36 pm to HogBalls
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:36 pm to HogBalls
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The jogger was not trying to avoid at this point. I see half an acre of green grass he could have used for that.
And risk getting shot in the back by that racist piece of shite? Nah, better for Ahmaud to have bravely tried to defend himself.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:36 pm to Ingeniero
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The jogger was not trying to avoid at this point. I see half an acre of green grass he could have used for that. At this point he was going full attack mode
That's trespassing.
At which point Im sure Travis and some on this board would agree would have been justified to shoot him in the back that rascally rabbit
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:37 pm to Ingeniero
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That's trespassing
Obviously he didn’t care a few minutes prior
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:38 pm to Damone
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And risk getting shot in the back by that racist piece of shite? Nah, better for Ahmaud to have bravely tried to defend himself.
They had multiple opportunities to do that already.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:39 pm to Pettifogger
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I think he moved right and flanked Travis (somewhat effectively). I'm not sure if his intention was always to do that or if his plan changed at some point in that second or two. I'm being honest here and just diagnosing what I see on film. It's possible that as Arbery rounded the truck, Travis (being likely slower/less agile and coming from standing still) realized he was going to lose him and began moving back toward Arbery, and that's when Arbery charged him. In that case it would be hard to fault Arbery even while acknowledging it was probably a bad move (I mean this in a purely tactical/practical sense, not a moral or legal one).
I think you're probably pretty close here. I think that AA trying to go right to flank Travis and Travis realizing this and moving towards AA not to lose him can both be true but it's really hard to tell
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:39 pm to More&Les
I feel like you're kind of arguing passionately here without a real opponent.
I agree the confrontation was intended and that it, at best, recklessly led to killing Arbery.
I'm just posing to you whether you think there was a premeditated intention to kill Arbery based on your prior comments. My guess is that you don't think so.
This may not ultimately be critical to the prosecution, but it is relevant to the social rhetoric around the case (whether he was hunted, whether it was a lynching, etc.).
I agree the confrontation was intended and that it, at best, recklessly led to killing Arbery.
I'm just posing to you whether you think there was a premeditated intention to kill Arbery based on your prior comments. My guess is that you don't think so.
This may not ultimately be critical to the prosecution, but it is relevant to the social rhetoric around the case (whether he was hunted, whether it was a lynching, etc.).
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:42 pm to Damone
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This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:43 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm just posing to you whether you think there was a premeditated intention to kill Arbery based on your prior comments. My guess is that you don't think so.
I didn't say there was a pre meditated intent to kill, there was a pre meditated aggravated assault, which brought about the killing.
Its felony murder just the same.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:46 pm to jchamil
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I think you're probably pretty close here. I think that AA trying to go right to flank Travis and Travis realizing this and moving towards AA not to lose him can both be true but it's really hard to tell
Yeah and I think a lot of my belief is based on the idea that it would be much more plausible (from a physics perspective?) for the sprinting Arbery to meet Travis fairly close to where Travis was static (as in, Travis may have taken a couple steps forward toward Arbery but Arbery covered most of the distance).
The only other alternative, I think, is that Travis initiated but Arbery quickly moved the confrontation to where it comes back into the frame, and I just think that's somewhat unlikely.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:51 pm to Pettifogger
Has the possibility that the struggle caused an accidental firing of the gun been discussed? If this in theory is his defense, would that be considered Manslaughter thereby giving the Defense a possibility of a plea deal in lieu of a Murder 1 or 2 charge? (Not that the prosecution would entertain a plea...just curious)
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:51 pm to Pettifogger
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Assault in Georgia is defined under Ga. Code Ann. § 16-5-20 as any attempt to physically injure another person. You can be charged with assault if you attempt to strike somebody, but miss. An assault is also an intentional act or threat of action that reasonably causes another party to be afraid of impending violence. If you threaten someone in an angry or a menacing manner and the victim believes you will carry out the threat, you could be charged with assault.
This is what McRednecks did, the shotgun makes it aggravated. The planned confrontation makes it pre meditated. The fact that it caused his death makes it Murder. One.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:01 pm to HogBalls
In that photo it seems like he’d following the right edge of the road.
Question, how long had Arbery been running? Could it be he was tired?
No doubt now he knows he made the wrong decision.
Question, how long had Arbery been running? Could it be he was tired?
No doubt now he knows he made the wrong decision.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:04 pm to HogBalls
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No prior accusations of them ever being racist. The Sr with decades in law enforcement and none of the people he arrested filed anything about racial profiling or it would already be out dont you think? Both me have clean criminal records also
And we know they would have a record if they had violated the law because they didn’t know anyone in the DA’s office.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:04 pm to Pettifogger
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but it is relevant to the social rhetoric around the case (whether he was hunted, whether it was a lynching, etc.).
I wouldn't say he was hunted, but they definitely intended to trap him given the way they veered the car. That alone is assault. The fact that they brought guns and had them at the ready (I won't say aimed them at him for the guys here who like to count pixels and pretend it matters) means it was premeditated. But obviously I don't believe their intention was to commit murder.
Would he have died if he just submitted completely to their will? No, I don't think so.
Was he justified in attempting to defend himself from two guys that trapped him with guns? Absolutely.
They cannot use self defense as they premeditated & initiated the confrontation (brought guns, trapped him using their car) and they cannot claim citizens arrest as they didn't witness him commit a felony (some are saying they thought they did - that doesn't matter - no felony was committed so they didn't witness one).
Of course the liberal national media will spin it as a lynching, etc.
Exactly the same way the conservative national media spins every illegal immigrant as a rapist and drug trafficker.
I will say I personally know many, many more vehemently racist, hateful, violent white men than I know mexican rapists, but that is neither here nor there.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:07 pm to Seldom Seen
Not this BS again! We should pay attention to the race baiters & scold THEM endlessly. It seemed this type of crap was in the news every week under Obama.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:07 pm to doubleb
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Question, how long had Arbery been running? Could it be he was tired? No doubt now he knows he made the wrong decision.
That's sort of what I have thought from the start. He had to eventually get tired and would think he had to do something before he ran out of gas. Obviously stopping and giving up would have been the best decision
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:08 pm to libtrash
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I will say I personally know many, many more vehemently racist, hateful, violent white men than I know mexican rapists, but that is neither here nor there.
Says a lot about your social circles, get better friends
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:09 pm to libtrash
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I will say I personally know many, many more vehemently racist, hateful, violent white men than I know mexican rapists, but that is neither here nor there.
That might be reversed if you lived in Mexico
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:09 pm to More&Les
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I didn't say there was a pre meditated intent to kill, there was a pre meditated aggravated assault, which brought about the killing.
Can you prove that by anything other than the outcome of this incident? I'm not talking legalese.
Maybe you are saying they will be charged with Felony murder? Perhaps they will, perhaps they won't.
Your emotions will not dictate how this goes. I am not emotionally invested in this incident. It was avoidable IMO. The two gentlemen will have their day in court. I have no idea what will happen but I feel it won't be satisfactory to some. Again, I am not an expert on this, this is my opinion on the matter.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:09 pm to More&Les
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This is what McRednecks did, the shotgun makes it aggravated. The planned confrontation makes it pre meditated. The fact that it caused his death makes it Murder. One.
I'm not sure about your causation claim from a legal standpoint, but I agree it "caused" his death from a practical perspective.
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