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re: Not Just An Innocent Jogger!
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:55 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:55 pm to Pettifogger
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I fully agree.
Watching it all at full speed, it certainly looks like Arbery came around to make contact. He's moving pretty quickly (it appears, and it definitely seems like he wraps around to make the confrontation. And again, if Arbery is shot before contact was made, I missed it.
I'll Amend my statement slightly in that I have watched it again and the first shot does sound like it comes at the initial contact, however Travis unquestionably moved from his initial position from left side of the road mid vehicle to front of vehicle moving to the right, at that point, according to their own account Arbery has tried to avoid them multiple times and has just tried to go around the truck only to have Travis confront him again.
McRednecks are clearly the aggressors and they planned the confrontation.
Pre Meditated aggravated assault, death. Murder.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:00 pm to Pettifogger
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e's moving pretty quickly (it appears, and it definitely seems like he wraps around to make the confrontation.
Did you miss the part where he was running directly toward Travis and made a hard right to go around the vehicle, thus avoiding confontation, if only Travis had maintained his position....?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:00 pm to More&Les
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I'll Amend my statement slightly in that I have watched it again and the first shot does sound like it comes at the initial contact, however Travis unquestionably moved from his initial position from left side of the road mid vehicle to front of vehicle moving to the right, at that point, according to their own account Arbery has tried to avoid them multiple times and has just tried to go around the truck only to have Travis confront him again.
I think you're seeing what you want to see. I think it's far more likely Arbery rounded the front and was charging Travis. Now I could be wrong, or it could be that I'm right and Arbery moved toward him as he did so. But based on my viewing of that sequence, my wager is that Arbery was definitely not trying to run past him.
quote:
McRednecks are clearly the aggressors and they planned the confrontation.
That sequence aside, I would agree.
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Pre Meditated aggravated assault, death. Murder.
You used the term "cold blooded murder" before, which isn't how I'd describe this. Do you think this was an ambush intended to kill Arbery? Or do you, as I do, think this was a dumb plan to detain Arbery that went (perhaps murderously) wrong?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:00 pm to the808bass
Mommas or daddys basement?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:03 pm to Pettifogger
Again Petty, look at Travis position when Arbery approaches from behind the truck, Arbery turns sharply to the right and moves around the other side of the vehicle, avoiding Travis, if Travis maintained that position we aren't having this conversation.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:04 pm to Pettifogger
They were slowing him down til police could arrive. Real men do things like this.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:05 pm to Hogs78
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They were slowing him down til police could arrive. Real men do things like this.
You really are a fricking idiot, all kidding aside.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:06 pm to Hogs78
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slowing him down
Lol.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:06 pm to mouton
Haha nope just a American that sees the issue here.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:06 pm to More&Les
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Did you miss the part where he was running directly toward Travis and made a hard right to go around the vehicle, thus avoiding confontation, if only Travis had maintained his position....?
Not at all.
But I don't think Arbery moved right and then tried to run past the truck.
I think he moved right and flanked Travis (somewhat effectively). I'm not sure if his intention was always to do that or if his plan changed at some point in that second or two. I'm being honest here and just diagnosing what I see on film.
It's possible that as Arbery rounded the truck, Travis (being likely slower/less agile and coming from standing still) realized he was going to lose him and began moving back toward Arbery, and that's when Arbery charged him. In that case it would be hard to fault Arbery even while acknowledging it was probably a bad move (I mean this in a purely tactical/practical sense, not a moral or legal one).
I also admit that Travis could have almost entirely initiated the confrontation in front of the truck, I just don't think that looks likely from the video.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:07 pm to TigerSprings
Why are there so many IDIOTS in this world that try to take phone camera video in portrait mode instead of landscape?
Do these people watch their television screens and computer monitors with them rotated to the vertical position also??
It isn't the sky and the dirt that we want to see but rather the whole picture.
Do these people watch their television screens and computer monitors with them rotated to the vertical position also??
It isn't the sky and the dirt that we want to see but rather the whole picture.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:07 pm to More&Les
Smarter and working way harder than you..
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:09 pm to More&Les
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Again Petty, look at Travis position when Arbery approaches from behind the truck, Arbery turns sharply to the right and moves around the other side of the vehicle, avoiding Travis, if Travis maintained that position we aren't having this conversation.
Pretend with me that Arbery wanted to charge Travis while providing some element of surprise and putting some barrier between him and the shotgun.
His route is exactly how I'd do that. It wasn't a sharp or hard turn, it was a quick veer that would have (and I believe did) allow him to come back up on Travis from the side (in front of the truck).
See my other post for speculation/possibilities about whether that was always the intention or whether something changed (Travis moving towards him perhaps).
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:11 pm to Seldom Seen
Wouldn't this be breaking and entering? No matter whether the house is under construction or not.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:12 pm to LSUROXS
No. Criminal trespass according to the police report.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:22 pm to Pettifogger
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You used the term "cold blooded murder" before, which isn't how I'd describe this. Do you think this was an ambush intended to kill Arbery? Or do you, as I do, think this was a dumb plan to detain Arbery that went (perhaps murderously) wrong?
I'm no expert but this is how I see it. It seems some are hell bent on this being "premeditated" That may be the legal definition but I don't think that will be how this is argued.
It is going to be interesting to see how this turns out.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:30 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
It's possible that as Arbery rounded the truck, Travis (being likely slower/less agile and coming from standing still) realized he was going to lose him and began moving back toward Arbery, and that's when Arbery charged him. In that case it would be hard to fault Arbery even while acknowledging it was probably a bad move (I mean this in a purely tactical/practical sense, not a moral or legal one).
I also admit that Travis could have almost entirely initiated the confrontation in front of the truck, I just don't think that looks likely from the video.
I appreciate your point of view but I I maintain that in either scenario, McDumbasses initiated the confrontation, for which they had no legal basis and caused the man's death.
Placing him in a position to where he reasonably feared for his life IS assault, the shotgun makes it aggravated and the fact remains that the McRednecks sought and therfore pre meditated the confrontation.
Felony Murder. Murder One. Cold Blooded Murder. Whichever you want to call it...
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:32 pm to LSUROXS
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Wouldn't this be breaking and entering? No matter whether the house is under construction or not.
It also wasnt locked according to the owner so no, its not breaking and entering. Its a misdemeanor trespass
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:33 pm to Pettifogger
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I think you're seeing what you want to see. I think it's far more likely Arbery rounded the front and was charging Travis. Now I could be wrong, or it could be that I'm right and Arbery moved toward him as he did so. But based on my viewing of that sequence, my wager is that Arbery was definitely not trying to run past him.
The jogger was not trying to avoid at this point. I see half an acre of green grass he could have used for that. At this point he was going full attack mode.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:34 pm to HogBalls
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The jogger was not trying to avoid at this point. I see half an acre of green grass he could have used for that. At this point he was going full attack mode
That's trespassing.
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