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re: Not every or all _______ are bad
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:No. We've progressed. Starting about 10,000 years ago with civilization, not fully linear but a clear upward trajectory. Really picked up steam in the last 500 years. Our conditions are better, our lives longer, our pain is less, our species healthier and more propagated. How we did it may be unknowable, but we have the ability to do it. That's the main difference between us and the animals. They cannot improve their own conditions, at least not at our rate.
The only real difference between us and the sheep is that we have mental capacity to ponder such things.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:04 pm
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
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So self-awareness changes exactly zero of our actions?
On a basic biological level? No.
The difference is in that we fancy ourselves such that we have constructed the concept of morality to try and control that which is inherently uncontrollable.
Consider this: Billions of the members of our species consider the most basic of biological activities, reproduction, as largely immoral. The arrogance required to make such a claiming is STAGGERING when we think about it.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:07 pm to Roger Klarvin
frick free will
frick the ghost in the machine
frick the soul
Amirite?
frick the ghost in the machine
frick the soul
Amirite?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:09 pm to Tiger1242
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Fair enough, but it's not like most major Islamic leaders are condoning what these guys are doing
So where's the disconnect. Most Islamic leaders are condemning it and yet you have acceptance of it and proponents of it which get close to a majority in some locations.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:09 pm to genro
quote:
Our conditions are better
The children starving in Africa live and die in much the same way every other creature does, only in a far more helpless manner due to no compensatory mechanisms.
quote:
our lives longer, our pain is less, our species healthier and more propagated.
Literally none of these claims are accurate.
Dozens of species live longer than us, MILLIONS experience less pain, the majority propagate more efficiently than us and few die with as many health complications.
Our frontal lobes are the only reason we are the dominant species, because we are the best at literally nothing else but thinking.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:As a percentage, or in gross numbers. Now, relative to the past. Human conditions are better.
The children starving in Africa live and die in much the same way every other creature does, only in a far more helpless manner due to no compensatory mechanisms.
quote:You missed the point entirely.
Literally none of these claims are accurate.
Dozens of species live longer than us, MILLIONS experience less pain, the majority propagate more efficiently than us and few die with as many health complications.
Our frontal lobes are the only reason we are the dominant species, because we are the best at literally nothing else but thinking.
I'm talking about our conditions now versus our conditions previously. Not comparing to other animals.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:11 pm to genro
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Amirite?
Pretty much
Existence is pretty depressing when you think about it on a large scale. Perhaps it's the price we pay for our intellect, no other creature suffers the mental anguish over their predicament that we do.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:15 pm to genro
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I'm talking about our conditions now versus our conditions previously.
Ok, but so what? Yeah, we've bought ourselves a another 40 years of life, shelter and readily available food sources.
Does any of that matter to a 90 year old on his deathbed? Because that man's predicament has not changed in the 200,000 years of human existence.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:17 pm to the808bass
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But even American and European Muslims seem to have a much higher propensity for radicalization than other religions.
There is definitely more of a call to violence in the Quran as opposed to the NT, no doubt about it.
That being said, the majority of atrocities committed by Muslims in Western nations are carried out by those with African and Middle Eastern backgrounds. Very rarely is a nationally born, bred and schooled Muslim carrying out jihad on western soil.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
How do you explain the exponentially rapid improvement? Improvement required innovation, and even if most innovation is necessitated by the environment, not all of it is. In fact, the environment has necessitated innovation to a lesser degree as we've progressed, paradoxically. Farming and writing were more necessary than the whoopee cushion. We're doing more than responding to stimuli.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 9/9/14 at 4:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Perhaps it's the price we pay for our intellect, no other creature suffers the mental anguish over their predicament that we do.
This is largely confined to the French. As it should be.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 5:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Ok, but so what? Yeah, we've bought ourselves a another 40 years of life, shelter and readily available food sources.
I think you guys have strayed far off the topic
Posted on 9/9/14 at 6:49 pm to TheIndulger
You mean the OP isn't about French existentialism?
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