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Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:53 pm to
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:53 pm to
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Regardless,those lands were paid for with the bloodshed and dollars of the American citizens and the land belongs to them.NOT the Feds.


Dude, you’re making my point. The land is owned by all Americans as a group with the land administered on their behalf by the federal government. Those lands are used by the public for hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, and a myriad of other recreational activities that all Americans can partake in regardless of their financial status. In your world which entities would you give this land to and how/who would determine who gets it and for what purpose?
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
7068 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:54 pm to
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You understand there are more trees in North America today than when Columbus arrived? I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out a pretty incredible stat
I believe that is wrong, at least in the US. It is thought that over half the land was forest compared to about 1/4 to 1/3 today. We have added to that total in the east over the decades, so it is possible that what I have read is older info. If you are right, then thanks, that would be awesome.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:54 pm to
The Feds own way too much of Utah.

Utah should be given much of it to administer.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
7068 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 3:56 pm to
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Jesus wept.
The shortest verse in the bible.
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:08 pm to
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The Feds own way too much of Utah. Utah should be given much of it to administer.


Utah, along with the other western states, gave up all claims to federal lands within their borders in return for statehood/acceptance into the Union. They willingly gave up those claims - no one held a gun to their head. The federal government government gave them back sections 16 and 36 of every township to do with as they saw fit.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:17 pm to
All true. It’s time for more to be returned.
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:26 pm to
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All true. It’s time for more to be returned.


Against the will of the American people, the collective owners of the these lands? Because poll after poll shows overwhelming opposition to the federal government giving away our public lands.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:37 pm to
Against the will of the leftist mobs? Yes.

The Feds do very little well.

Utah is quite capable of managing the land within its borders.

You have a poll link showing how people feel about returning fed land to the states?

This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted by 200MPHCOBRA
Member since Nov 2016
491 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:52 pm to
Animals and people didn't shite in creeks back then? No flesh eating bacteria either?
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 4:55 pm to
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Utah is quite capable of managing the land within its borders.


Actually, they can’t afford to manage those lands - it would bankrupt the states to provide all the services that the federal government provides, especially for fire protection, weed control, road maintenance, facilities, maintenance, etc., etc., etc. The states would have to charge the public drastically higher fees to use those lands, commercially develop them and destroy their natural amenities, outright sell them to the highest bidder, or some combination, none of which are to the benefit of the general public who owns these lands.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:01 pm to
That’s a consideration.

I’m still interested in a poll showing how people in the US feel about returning some land to the states though but I’m not really inclined to care much about some Yankee from NYC feels.

Also, 70% of Utah is owned by the Feds.

Thats ridiculous in of itself.

Utah fighting for its land
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:04 pm to
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I’m still interested in a poll showing how people in the US feel about returning some land to the states though but I’m not really inclined to care much about some Yankee from NYC feels.


I’ve found a recent poll, but am figuring out how to link it.

Unfortunately, some Yankee from New York is going to have as much say as we do because these are federal lands owned by all the citizens of the U.S.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154556 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:05 pm to
Just copy the url
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42179 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:08 pm to
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Swings both ways, pal.


No, that's just you.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
35464 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:10 pm to
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Swings both ways, pal.


quote:

jclem11


Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:14 pm to
Here ya’ go.

Outdoor Life. “Poll: 65 Percent of Westerners Oppose Giving States Control of Federal Land”

LINK

Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34720 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:51 pm to
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You also voted to sell off many public lands.


Lol. This idiotic shite again. I’m actually a huge proponent of protecting our wilderness. But you’ve apparently bought into the bullshite and should be ignored.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34720 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:55 pm to
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MontanaTiger


Have we discussed whereyat before? Missoula since 2005. What a Portlandia nightmare now. Still love it. Just don’t spend much time socializing there.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
25183 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 5:59 pm to
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I believe that is wrong.


Think about it like this. Millions of acres that once held native hardwoods are now covered in pine plantations where trees are stacked one on top of another.

Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3936 posts
Posted on 8/21/25 at 6:51 pm to
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MontanaTiger

Have we discussed whereyat before? Missoula since 2005. What a Portlandia nightmare now. Still love it. Just don’t spend much time socializing there.


I’ve lived in Billings for the last 22 years. Before that in NE Montana (Culbertson) for 18 years. Then before that, Bozeman for a couple of years. Billings is mostly MAGA country. That country west of the divide is pretty schizophrenic - either crazy liberal or ultra MAGA. Glad we finally got rid of that PoS Tester.

I’m originally from Kenner. Graduated LSU in 1977. Yes, I’m a boomer.
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