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NIH: Concerns for Vaccine Enhanced Susceptibility

Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:05 pm
This is from 2009 and I have only gotten thru the abstract and thought it was very interesting. I plan on reading this and thought I'd pass it on.
NIH Study
It is saying that various lentvirus, corona, flavi, type virus have been difficult to create vaccines for. The vaccinated are more susceptible to the disease because of antibody dependent enhancements.

Doing a search aon Antibody Dependent Enhancement opens up a can worms related to SARS Cov-2. This is a big concern, yet it is being pushed to the world.

ADE risk with SARS CoV-2
Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
This last one looks interesting.
These studies certainly looks like they knew of the failed vaccine trials for corona type virus and that there is significant risk for ADE and Vaccine Enhanced Susceptibility.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25905 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:06 pm to
All part of the global elites plan for depopulation….
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:07 pm to
Is the vaccine(s) negative effective on additional strains? That is why we need data, data which they have no intention of gathering.

We've been saying this for a week.
Posted by Vastmind
B Ara
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:07 pm to
In summary, this means that mild common colds may result in severe disease in the vaccinated
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:49 pm to
ADE is an acronym everyone needs to familiarize themselves with.

ADE is a process where antibodies developed in a person against a certain disease could lead to an over-activation of the immune system against that disease, the next time the body encounters the pathogen. Should it occur, the antibodies won’t improve the body’s reaction to the disease, but rather actually leads to more severe conditions.

A previous vaccine attempt to fight measles was a failure, because when the children were exposed to measles they began developing pneumonia. The vaccine was scrapped and all those in the trial was vaccinated with the traditional measles vaccine.

It's just a matter until these shots wear off, and the person is exposed to a new variant of COVID. The bodies reaction at the time could be fatal, if vaccinated. And the head of Pfizer said recently that their own studies are showing the Pfizer vaccine is good for 7 months.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44371 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

It's just a matter until these shots wear off, and the person is exposed to a new variant of COVID. The bodies reaction at the time could be fatal, if vaccinated. And the head of Pfizer said recently that their own studies are showing the Pfizer vaccine is good for 7 months.



My doc said the time to worry about this will be when the booster shots start rolling out.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 1:53 pm to
Thank you for sharing this
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4589 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:00 pm to
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This is from 2009


mRNA vaccines weren't even theorized in 2009. This is what happens when morons try and read scientific journals.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
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Member since Jun 2018
958 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:05 pm to
You may have already researched this but if not, when you have a little time, research some of the recent statements by Nobel Laureate Luc Montagnier and what he has to say about the future effect of the vaccines, he speaks on ADE.
But the world isn’t supposed to listen to renowned individuals like him, they’re supposed to trust Faucci and Biden and all other politically compromised public figures.
The fact checkers are coming out of the woodwork trying to debunk and cover up what him and others have said about the vaccine.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4589 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

ADE is a process where antibodies developed in a person against a certain disease could lead to an over-activation of the immune system against that disease, the next time the body encounters the pathogen. Should it occur, the antibodies won’t improve the body’s reaction to the disease, but rather actually leads to more severe conditions.


No, it isn't.

"ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen, but they are unable to prevent infection."


quote:

It's just a matter until these shots wear off, and the person is exposed to a new variant of COVID. The bodies reaction at the time could be fatal, if vaccinated. And the head of Pfizer said recently that their own studies are showing the Pfizer vaccine is good for 7 months.


No, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the terminology you are using. You should speak less and read more, start here:
LINK

Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2995 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

mRNA vaccines weren't even theorized in 2009. This is what happens when morons try and read scientific journals.


who's the moron?

quote:

The first successful transfection of mRNA packaged within a liposomal nanoparticle into a cell was published in 1989.[15][16] "Naked" (or unprotected) mRNA was injected a year later into the muscle of mice.[3][17] These studies were the first evidence that in vitro transcribed mRNA could deliver the genetic information to produce proteins within living cell tissue.[3]

Liposome-encapsulated mRNA was shown in 1993 to stimulate T-cells in mice,[18][19] and mRNA proved useful two years later to elicit both humoral and cellular immune response against a pathogen.[3][20][21]


i mean you were kind of right, right?

they were theorized much earlier than 2009

looks like moderna been ready for this shite since about '08

quote:

The companies, BioNTech in 2008 and Moderna in 2010, were started to develop mRNA biotechnologies.[23][24]

This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6720 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:17 pm to
The other publications I linked are recent. Don't the mRNA vaccines create antibodies?

Then wouldn't ADE possibly happen with a mRNA as well?
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4589 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

On a May afternoon in 2010, Rossi and Springer visited Langer at his laboratory in Cambridge. What happened at the two-hour meeting and in the days that followed has become the stuff of legend — and an ego-bruising squabble.


quote:

As he listened to Rossi describe his use of modified mRNA, Langer recalled, he realized the young professor had discovered something far bigger than a novel way to create stem cells. Cloaking mRNA so it could slip into cells to produce proteins had a staggering number of applications, Langer thought, and might even save millions of lives.

“I think you can do a lot better than that,” Langer recalled telling Rossi, referring to stem cells. “I think you could make new drugs, new vaccines — everything.”


2010, and that's just the theoretical usage. Yes, you are a moron.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4589 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:26 pm to
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Then wouldn't ADE possibly happen with a mRNA as well?


Of course, but that's why we did blind phase 3 trails on hundreds of thousands of people, and now given the vaccines to hundreds of millions.
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2995 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:30 pm to
you really are an idiot aren't you?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37056 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

This is from 2009


Seems like it would be super relevant then.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95517 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

mRNA vaccines weren't even theorized in 2009.


So, you admit that we're decades away from realistically assessing the long-term risks of these treatments?

Thank you.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:51 pm to
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No, it isn't.

"ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen, but they are unable to prevent infection."

Dumbass, you just reworded exactly what I posted.

Where do you think this "immune response" is coming from in a person with the mRNA vaccine in them? And what happens when the vaccine wears off and they are exposed to the real infection?
quote:

Instead, these antibodies act as a “Trojan horse,” allowing the pathogen to get into cells and exacerbate the immune response.

And how did they know this?
quote:

On three previous occasions ADE has resulted from vaccination: dengue, measles, and RSV. All three vaccines were scrapped, and participants were given a more traditional form of the vaccine for protection.

LINK
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Of course, but that's why we did blind phase 3 trails on hundreds of thousands of people, and now given the vaccines to hundreds of millions.

Except in the previous failed vaccines, ADE wasn't detected until the 2nd year of the phase III trials. Wanna guess when that ends for Pfizer? 2023. How about Moderna? 2022.
quote:

estimated study completion date of Jan. 31, 2023 (here). For the COVID-19 vaccine created by Moderna, studies are expected to end on Oct. 27, 2022
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
2667 posts
Posted on 8/2/21 at 3:33 pm to
Reminds me of a short video clip I saw last year. An old guy, virologist, was explaining why there had never been a successful coronavirus vaccine. Something to do with binding vs nonbinding proteins.

Can't remember his name, but I remember getting a strike and the post removed when I shared it.

I guess if you're going to weaponize a virus, that'd be the type to go with.
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