re: Nice to see the NY Times doubling down on global warming

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Any climate change great enough to endanger our species wont be manmade, and the mild changes our increased CO2 output could cause will be at worst a minor inconvenience. Our arrogance makes us believe we are powerful enough to stop and start things like climate change.

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History will look back on them as fools. You repeat something often enough, people start to believe.

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Did you even read your link? Tying a record high temp going back to 2009 is not 150 years ago.

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Sorry, I forgot that only 150 year records count in the global average temperature. MY BAD.
Wow.

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Its a hoax because they don't include solar variation, so even though they do include solar variation, it doesn't count, because its a hoax.

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Hey, what do you have to say about your messiah and prophet Al Gore saying in 2006 that we have 10 years to act or this planet will scorch to death in 2016?

2 years to go for his prediction

What evidence? A majority of it is fraud and we can't get anything objective and fact based. There have been significant climate swings in the past 1000 years and humans effect on it has only come into play in the past 100. In the past 40 your "science" has predicted polar opposite extremes

I can go dig in my backyard in central louisiana and find sea shells. What caused that? Dinosaur farts? And how did the water retreat since then?

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Man may have some bearing on the current change Don't be ridiculous. Just look at how big the Earth is.

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Well, you've come around to my way of thinking. It is ridiculous to think that man could have some effect since the Earth is so big.

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Sorry, I forgot that only 150 year records count in the global average temperature. MY BAD. Wow.

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You refuted a 150 y.o. time frame with a 4 year old time frame. That's really pathetic. But I forgive you. Say 5 Hail Mary's and 4 Acts of Contrition and promise not to do it again.

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Its a hoax because they don't include solar variation, so even though they do include solar variation, it doesn't count, because its a hoax.

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It is not a hoax because of solar variation. They are the perpetrators of the Hoax from the beginning of the Hoax.

The IPCC is designed to extract money from the developed world to the 3rd world. Actually, Hoax is not the right word. It's SCAM. Think Bernie Madhoff.

There are lots of people who are true believers in GW that aren't getting paid for it. These are called 'useful idiots.'

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you've got to be willfully ignorant to ignore the mountains of evidence we have at this point but I guess this this is the poli board..

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Warm in the west (therefore lower than normal precipitation) and cold in the east is due to the jet stream pattern this winter. That just happens to be the weather pattern this winter.

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Its a hoax because they don't include solar variation, so even though they do include solar variation, it doesn't count, because its a hoax.

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No. It's a hoax because it's a hoax.

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The 2013 IPCC AR5 Report: Facts -vs- Fictions
October 3, 2013
by Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Professor of Geology, Western Washington University

Mark Twain popularized the saying “There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians.” After reading the recently-released [IPCC AR5] report, we can now add, ‘there are liars, damn liars, and IPCC.” When compared to the also recently published NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change) 1000+-page volume of data on climate change with thousands of peer-reviewed references, the inescapable conclusion is that the IPCC report must be considered the grossest misrepresentation of data ever published. As MIT climate scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen stated, “The latest IPCC report has truly sunk to the level of hilarious incoherence—it is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going.”

From the IPCC 2013 Report

After all these years, IPCC still doesn’t get it—we’ve been thawing out from the Little Ice Age for several hundred years but still are not yet back to pre-Little Ice Age temperatures that prevailed for 90% of the past 10,000 years. Warming and cooling has been going on for millions of years, long before CO2 could have had anything to do with it, so warming in itself certainly doesn’t prove that it was caused by CO2.

Their misrepresentation of data is ridiculous. The IPCC report purports to show warming of 0.5°C (0.9°F) since 1980, yet surface temperature measurements indicate no warming over the past 17 years, and satellite temperature data shows the August 13 temperature only 0.12°C (0.21°F) above the 1908 temperature (Spencer, 2013). IPCC shows a decadal warming of 0.6°C (1°F) since 1980 but the temperature over the past decade has actually cooled, not warmed.

From the IPCC Report


There just isn’t any nice way to say this—it’s is an outright lie. A vast published literature exists showing that recent warming is not only not unusual, but more intense warming has occurred many times in the past centuries and millennia. As a reviewer of the IPCC report, I called this to their attention, so they cannot have been unaware of it. For example, more than 20 periods of warming in the past five centuries can be found in the Greenland GISP2 ice core (Fig. 3) (Easterbrook, 2011), the Medieval and Roman Warm Periods were warmer than recent warming (Fig. 4), and about 90% of the past 10,000 years were warmer than present (Fig. 5).







etc., etc., etc.

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Wrong.
GW cannot be disproven by anything.
If it's warmer, GW is right.
If it's colder , GW is right.
If it stays the same, GW is right.

It's a Hoax.

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Wrong.
GW cannot be disproven by anything.
If it's warmer, GW is right.
If it's colder , GW is right.
If it stays the same, GW is right.

It's a Hoax.

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The idea that we are the root cause is largely politically driven, but your reasons for believing that are horrible.

It's a "hoax" because the data is inconsistent and the rate of global temperature rise is grossly exaggerated. This idea that because it's cold one and then hot another invalidates climate change is just a misunderstanding of weather and science in general.

The world is slowly warming up, and the more varied weather patterns day to day and unusually cold temperatures during the winter months are evidence FOR that, not against it. A pattern of global warming without these varied weather patterns is impossible.

Again, the lie is that we are causing it, not that it's happening. Part of the reason it is able to maintain political backing is because tree hugging proponents can point to the awful science of the climate change "deniers" and mock them instead of addressing the real issues behind their ideas.