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Posted on 12/25/25 at 5:12 pm to Powerman
Beta move.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 5:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Because Trump IS a beta. Actual alphas do not need to strut around and proclaim their status.
Beta move.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 5:20 pm to Timeoday
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New York Times is a serious threat to the security of our nation.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 5:39 pm to CapnKangaroo
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Did the NYT get up in arms about it then?
Nope, crickets from them.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Go read the OP or get some child to read it for you, then you can shut up
Which is what I love about this country. Elections have consequences!! Therefore, POTUS Trump puts them in jail and let the people decide. That is why the MSM is truly afraid. The MSM does not want the people making decisions without false or negative MSM input!!
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:43 pm to Timeoday
quote:If a newspaper is corrupt, the answer is to break its credibility through exposure and competition. Not letting the state decide the truth for you. Calling a newspaper a “national security threat” and saying it must be “dealt with” is not confidence in truth, it’s fear of it.
Would not ever ask to silent speech but will acknowledge coordinated and false information to push an agenda is extremely powerful when used to create fear and curtail allegiance.
I do not believe a media should ever "lie" in coordinated fashion. Ever! So if the clowns who distribute such info are arrested and prosecuted, I will celebrate.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:50 pm to northshorebamaman
Many newspapers were being fed US Taxpayer money to fund the tripe they're pushing out though. 
Posted on 12/25/25 at 6:58 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:Newspapers are compromised because of government money or influence and the solution is more government power?
Many newspapers were being fed US Taxpayer money to fund the tripe they're pushing out though.
Either state involvement corrupts institutions, or it doesn’t. You can't argue both depending on which direction the power is flowing.
If taxpayer money buying influence is the problem, the fix is transparency and separation, not the executive declaring news outlets “national security threats” that "must be dealt with." That’s just replacing one form of capture with a worse one.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:03 pm to northshorebamaman
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Newspapers are compromised because of government money or influence and the solution is more government power?
You said the free economic market and market of ideas should let it all work out.
If a shitty newspaper is being subsidized and held up by the federal government, than we couldn't realistically believe that those natural markets would work everything out.
quote:
state involvement corrupts institutions, or it doesn’t. You can't argue both depending on which direction the power is flowing. If taxpayer money buying influence is the problem, the fix is transparency and separation, not the executive declaring news outlets “national security threats” that "must be dealt with." That’s just replacing one form of capture with a worse one.
None of this has anything to do with my argument.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
If government money is corrupting the press, then the threat is the officials authorizing that money. Trump could have used the same bully pulpit that he used to call out the NYT to name agencies, budgets, and people. He didn’t.
If the problem is that the government is corrupting newspapers all Trump did was shift the blame from state actors to speech itself.
If the problem is that the government is corrupting newspapers all Trump did was shift the blame from state actors to speech itself.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:12 pm to Timeoday
Journolist never ended.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:13 pm to Timeoday
quote:Huh? You might want to read that again.
Newspapers are compromised because of government money or influence and the solution is more newspaper power?
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:17 pm to northshorebamaman
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If government money is corrupting the press, then the threat is the officials authorizing that money. Trump could have used the same bully pulpit that he used to call out the NYT to name agencies, budgets, and people. He didn’t. If the problem is that the government is corrupting newspapers all Trump did was shift the blame from state actors to speech itself.
You can't have this both ways. You can't say let the free markets dictate what happens to these institutions while they could possibly be surviving because of the government
All the while
Saying Trump (the government) shouldn't be blaming the media.
Trump's good at this. You got to give him an A for putting brains in a blender.
This post was edited on 12/25/25 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:22 pm to Errerrerrwere
You’re now attributing your point to me while still avoiding my conclusion.
Yes, government money distorts markets. I agree, but that was your claim, not mine. My argument has consistently been about the remedy. If the state is corrupting the press, the target should be the government actors authorizing that money, not the press outlet publishing speech.
Yes, government money distorts markets. I agree, but that was your claim, not mine. My argument has consistently been about the remedy. If the state is corrupting the press, the target should be the government actors authorizing that money, not the press outlet publishing speech.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:24 pm to RFK
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Sounds like Stalinism to me.
An ironic post considering how far left the Times is.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:31 pm to northshorebamaman
I've only argued one thing. 
and I don't believe you will bow out of it. So, let's get past that ONE argument before we go down the rabbit holes of your straw man's.
You said:
I said:
So, my question is still "how do you expect to break the credibility of a newspaper or let it fail on its own for bad reporting; if it's being propped up by the government?
A government which you don't think should get involved in the first place?"
and I don't believe you will bow out of it. So, let's get past that ONE argument before we go down the rabbit holes of your straw man's. You said:
quote:
If a newspaper is corrupt, the answer is to break its credibility through exposure and competition. Not letting the state decide the truth for you. Calling a newspaper a “national security threat” and saying it must be “dealt with” is not confidence in truth, it’s fear of it.
I said:
quote:
Many newspapers were being fed US Taxpayer money to fund the tripe they're pushing out though.
So, my question is still "how do you expect to break the credibility of a newspaper or let it fail on its own for bad reporting; if it's being propped up by the government?
A government which you don't think should get involved in the first place?"
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:37 pm to northshorebamaman
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If the state is corrupting the press, the target should be the government actors authorizing that money, not the press outlet publishing speech.
There is no IF to it. They are and the DOGE investigations revealed CNN and MSNBC received federal tax funds.
Trump knows this and has already and has taken steps to remedy it.
And targeting a biased media agency accepting the funds would be the same as targeting a climate scientist in a scientific journal with bias towards his funding.
Doesn't matter at this point if both parties are corrupt.
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:40 pm to Errerrerrwere
I am addressing one argument. You’re conflating two different systems (government and the free market) in an attempt to manufacture an inconsistency I never claimed.
I’ve been consistent the entire time. Free enterprise should determine the fate of newspapers. Government should be responsible for policing its own spending and corruption. Those are different domains with different remedies. Pretending I argued one solution fits both is a straw man.
If a newspaper is being propped up by government money, the fix is to expose and end the funding, name the agencies and officials authorizing it, and then let the outlet stand or fall once the state support is removed. That reduces government involvement. Declaring a paper a “national security threat” and saying it must be “dealt with” expands it.
So here’s the question you keep avoiding: if the problem is government money corrupting the press, why did Trump target newspapers instead of the government actors writing the checks?
I’ve been consistent the entire time. Free enterprise should determine the fate of newspapers. Government should be responsible for policing its own spending and corruption. Those are different domains with different remedies. Pretending I argued one solution fits both is a straw man.
If a newspaper is being propped up by government money, the fix is to expose and end the funding, name the agencies and officials authorizing it, and then let the outlet stand or fall once the state support is removed. That reduces government involvement. Declaring a paper a “national security threat” and saying it must be “dealt with” expands it.
So here’s the question you keep avoiding: if the problem is government money corrupting the press, why did Trump target newspapers instead of the government actors writing the checks?
Posted on 12/25/25 at 7:44 pm to northshorebamaman
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I am addressing one argument. You’re conflating two different systems (government and the free market) in an attempt to manufacture an inconsistency I never claimed.
Nah man. I already posted my initial argument and you've been throwing out straw man's to it.
Now the only thing you need to answer is IF you believe this...
quote:
I’ve been consistent the entire time. Free enterprise should determine the fate of newspapers. Government should be responsible for policing its own spending and corruption. Those are different domains with different remedies. Pretending I argued one solution fits both is a straw man.
Then don't shy away from this and answer it:
quote:
So, my question is still "how do you expect to break the credibility of a newspaper or let it fail on its own for bad reporting; if it's being propped up by the government? A government which you don't think should get involved in the first place?"
You can't. You are trying to imply the media is woe is me butter will never melt in my mouth and Trump bad.
They're both corrupt but that's where your argument fails.
The failure to recognize and ADMIT just that.
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