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re: New Reason.com video on why post office should be privatized
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You know man, I had this long drawn out post yet again refuting your complete inability to understand basic English grammar...but I've come to realize it's pointless. You'll never understand what I'm saying because you do not understand basic grammar rules.
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:43 pm to Doosh606
Oh I wish that would have been true... 
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:46 pm to Doosh606
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Lol ummm... Do you even English mister 2nd year law student?
2nd year what?
I think you have me confused with someone else. I'm a 47 year old retired Army Colonel.
And my point is 100% correct. In legal terms "Shall " means must, I mean the dictionary also defines shall as must, but that isn't for legal purposes.
Simple example.
The second amendment says "Congress shall pass no laws.........."
If shall meant "may" then logically Congress could choose whether they wanted to pass no laws............just as the idiot believes they could choose not to have a post office. But we know that the MUST pass no laws, so that's weird, shall means must sometimes and may other times?
Morons
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:50 pm to CommoDawg
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It is also significantly cheaper than its private sector competitors.
If FedEx and UPS got government subsidies, they would be cheaper too.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:51 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Shall pass no.
Shall have the power to.
These two are not the same. Until you understand this very, VERY basic grammar rule it is pointless to keep talking to you. You simply are unable to comprehend.
Shall have the power to.
These two are not the same. Until you understand this very, VERY basic grammar rule it is pointless to keep talking to you. You simply are unable to comprehend.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 1:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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At the very least, we should end the monopoly the USPS has over certain kinds of mail.
Like what? I mean there are other delivery companies. What can they not do?
I am OK with privatizing the PO...just seems like a low priority to me.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:03 pm to Centinel
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Shall pass no.
Shall have the power to.
These two are not the same. Until you understand this very, VERY basic grammar rule it is pointless to keep talking to you. You simply are unable to comprehend.
you are truly stupid man. I mean painfully stupid.
I shouldn't even be making fun of you, but for the love of God you are actually trying to argue that shall means may sometimes and must other times in the COTUS
Here's a simple test, try reading the Code of Federal Regulations as a federal employee and not doing any of the myriad of things that the CFR says you "shall do" and see how long it is before you are reprimanded and or fired, possibly even jailed.
In fact, in 2010 SCOTUS actually referenced this and said that in FUTURE laws and regulations "shall" shall be replaced with "must" to avoid confusion, but that in terms of past laws and regulations there was no reason to rewrite anything. In the COTUS , shall means must. PERIOD.
Here's another example
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Does that mean the government may choose whether they abridge voting rights? Of course not.
And you are really trying to claim that I'm the one who can't read simple English? LOL
By the way dumb dumb I have a PhD in US History, specifically emphasizing early US government. Please continue to argue with me about what the founding fathers meant
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:05 pm to CommoDawg
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It is also significantly cheaper than its private sector competitors.
What?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:08 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You still can't comprehend between what Congress shall have the power to and what Congress shall not do.
You should get a refund on your PhD.
You should get a refund on your PhD.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:13 pm to Centinel
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You still can't comprehend between what Congress shall have the power to and what Congress shall not do.
You should get a refund on your PhD.
LOL this shouldn't be so funny, but damn you are getting your clock cleaned and just continue to post " i know more than you do" without any semblemce of evidence to back up your claims. I mean for God's sakes I cited the fricking SCOTUS who very specifically said that in past documents "shall" did mean "must" but that in future laws the wording should be changed to "MUST"
I've also given you multiple instances both in the COTUS and in federal law and in federal regulations where SHALL means must and your only response is "shall means may, but shall not means must not"
You are an ignorant motherfricker man. Do the rest of us a favor and don't vote, or procreate.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
^ another example of the founding fathers using shall to mean MUST
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:15 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You should probably take notice that no one here is agreeing with you.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I live in (relatively) rural WV near D.C. and there are 16 post offices within a 10 mile radius of my home.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:21 pm to Centinel
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You should probably take notice that no one here is agreeing with you.
Another example of your stupidity, No one else is agreeing or disagreeing with either of us, not because they believe either of us is right or wrong, but because they don't give a frick about this side discussion that has come up between us.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:25 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
HHM agreed with me actually.
What does it mean if you say "Congress will have the power to"?
What does that imply?
What does it imply if you say "Congress will not"
What is the difference in these two statements?
Let's take it another way:
You will have the power to post on Tiger Droppings.
You will not post porn on Tiger Droppings.
What is the difference in these two sentences?
What does it mean if you say "Congress will have the power to"?
What does that imply?
What does it imply if you say "Congress will not"
What is the difference in these two statements?
Let's take it another way:
You will have the power to post on Tiger Droppings.
You will not post porn on Tiger Droppings.
What is the difference in these two sentences?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:30 pm to Centinel
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Let's take it another way:
You will have the power to post on Tiger Droppings.
You will not post porn on Tiger Droppings.
What is the difference in these two sentences?
COMPLETELY irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Listen closely you idiot. SCOTUS has already ruled that in past government documents, laws, and regulatons, "shall" means "must" regardless of context, and as such that's the law.
If Congress attempted to shut down the USPS , they would be sued, and lose. They MUST provide a postal service.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:37 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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COMPLETELY irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Listen closely you idiot. SCOTUS has already ruled that in past government documents, laws, and regulatons, "shall" means "must" regardless of context, and as such that's the law.
If Congress attempted to shut down the USPS , they would be sued, and lose. They MUST provide a postal service.
Oh it's very relevant. Because these are constructed the exact same way as the question at hand.
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Listen closely you idiot. SCOTUS has already ruled that in past government documents, laws, and regulatons, "shall" means "must" regardless of context, and as such that's the law.
Ok then! Well we can change this right around for you:
Congress MUST have the power to establish Post Offices and post Roads.
Congress MUST make no law respecting an establishment of religion...
What is the difference between these two sentences? I'll even give you a hint...you're focused on shall/will/must and ignoring the words that follow.
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They MUST provide a postal service.
Nope.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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since establishing a post office is one of the responsibilities of the government enumerated in the constitution
The Post Office was established. That stipulation was met. The constitution says jack squat about maintaining the Post Office.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:44 pm to Centinel
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Oh it's very relevant. Because these are constructed the exact same way as the question at hand.
It's not relevant at all because the terms of posting here weren't writting in 1776 as the COTUS was and the English language has changed some since then and oh yeah THE frickING SUPREME COURT HAS NOT RULED THAT SHALL MEANS MUST ON THIS frickING WEBSITE AS THEY HAVE RULED CONCERNING THE COTUS
Now, I'm done responding to you, as I've said please don't pollute the gene pool by having any weak minded off spring, the only kind you could possibly have
Good day sir.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:46 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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It's not relevant at all because the terms of posting here weren't writting in 1776 as the COTUS was and the English language has changed some since then and oh yeah THE frickING SUPREME COURT HAS NOT RULED THAT SHALL MEANS MUST ON THIS frickING WEBSITE AS THEY HAVE RULED CONCERNING THE COTUS
You should probably take a breather then come back and actually read the rest of what I posted...because right now you're completely ignoring it.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:25 pm to Centinel
Yea idk what hog is trying to argue
Congress CHOSE to create the usps through an act
Congress CHOSE to create the usps through an act
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