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re: New camera angle for Cybertruck explosion released
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:58 am to SippyCup
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:58 am to SippyCup
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No Tesla can drive itself with the passenger asleep or dead.
We certainly know that Teslas have the capacity to self-pilot. Hackers likewise have remotely commandeered Teslas. Can the safety features that supposedly prevent an sleeping or otherwise inattentive driver be hacked?
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:48 am to Toomer Deplorable
I am finding it harder & harder to believe some sort of conspiracy took place here
I am to believe an Army SF Team Sergeant with a resume littered with all kinds of tech knowledge chose a supposedly hackable vehicle with cameras mics sensors GPS etc that has to stop every couple hundred miles to charge and be recorded on video to run in fear of being taken out by the boys?
If so that is strike one that he was not thinking straight
Now we throw in that the Tesla Team that pulled data from the truck has to either be in on it or be fooled by the data
So we would have to have coordination between Tesla Trump Tower possibly along with LVMPD FBI ATF & maybe even Army Command
I am afraid that even if in-cabin video is retrieved and shows him pulling the trigger and detonating that many would still not believe it & that is a result of years of lies from our government
I am to believe an Army SF Team Sergeant with a resume littered with all kinds of tech knowledge chose a supposedly hackable vehicle with cameras mics sensors GPS etc that has to stop every couple hundred miles to charge and be recorded on video to run in fear of being taken out by the boys?
If so that is strike one that he was not thinking straight
Now we throw in that the Tesla Team that pulled data from the truck has to either be in on it or be fooled by the data
So we would have to have coordination between Tesla Trump Tower possibly along with LVMPD FBI ATF & maybe even Army Command
I am afraid that even if in-cabin video is retrieved and shows him pulling the trigger and detonating that many would still not believe it & that is a result of years of lies from our government
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:00 am to jcaz
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he pulled the trigger same moment as explosion.
It looks to me like a fraction of a second before the explosion he blows his head off.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:24 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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that is a result of years of lies from our government
This x1000. Like the 2017 Las Vegas mass shooting, I doubt we ever will have any satisfactory answers on what actually happened here.
What we do know beyond a shadow of a doubt is that our nation’s foreign and domestic intelligence apparatus are both wholly corrupted and will lie to the American people as a matter of course. So regardless of anyone’s pet theory on what happened in this latest terrorist incident, this is the primary issue at play here.
Was January 6 Part of the FBI’s ‘Operation Cold Snap’?
…. in June 2020, days after the nation was roiled by Black Lives Matter looting and rioting, a man from Wisconsin named Stephen Robeson sponsored a “National Militia Conference” at a Dublin hotel. (Yes, that was the real name of the event.)
According to BuzzFeed’s exceptional July 2021 investigative report on the FBI-led plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, Robeson “helped organize the national meeting, and he was enthusiastically pushing people he knew to attend.” The purpose of the conference was to recruit people who ultimately would stoke “political violence” against governors who refused to reopen their states after lockdowns supposedly necessitated by COVID.
Some participants said Robeson, known as “Robey,” relentlessly pestered them until they agreed to show up; people came from as far as Maryland and Kansas City, BuzzFeed’s Ken Bensinger and Jessica Garrison reported. One member of the Three Percenters, an alleged militia group on the FBI’s naughty list, observed people taking photos from discreet locations in the hotel. “The feds are everywhere,” he thought to himself.
Indeed. One of the feds was Robeson himself.
In a motion filed in July by a defense lawyer in the Whitmer kidnapping prosecution, Robeson is described as having a long record “of cooperating with the government in exchange for personal benefits. Basically, this [confidential human source] has a decades-long history of acting as a professional snitch for the government.”
Robeson also—and there’s nothing at all sketchy about this—founded the Wisconsin Patriot Three Percenters, BuzzFeed reported. Three Percenters, along with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, are considered right-wing extremist militias by the FBI. Dozens of members from the three groups have been arrested and charged in connection with the January 6 protest at the Capitol.
But there’s more to Robeson’s background than just acting as government-paid flypaper to lure right-wingers to join a so-called “militia” group; he’s compiled a rap sheet a mile long including sex with a minor, battery, car theft, insurance fraud, and forgery. And in 2020, this convicted felon was working for Christopher Wray’s FBI to entrap alleged “militia men,” presumably loyal to Donald Trump, to pull a stunt before the 2020 election.
Which is exactly what happened. In yet another example of the FBI interfering in a presidential election, Robeson and at least a dozen other FBI agents and informants orchestrated the shocking scheme—the feds paid for and organized “surveillance” trips as well as weapons training camps, all for the hidden cameras to capture on film—to produce major headlines as early voting was underway in the crucial swing state of Michigan.
Whitmer held a dramatic press conference the day the Justice Department announced the arrest of six men on federal conspiracy charges, blaming Trump for encouraging “domestic terrorists.” Joe Biden weighed in, too. “There is a through line from President Trump’s dog whistles and tolerance of hate, vengeance, and lawlessness to plots such as this one. He is giving oxygen to the bigotry and hate we see on the march in our country,” he said on October 8, 2020.
Turns out, the “oxygen” that gave the plot life came from inside the house. BuzzFeed, after reviewing numerous court records and conducting interviews with those involved, concluded the FBI assets “had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception.” Without the FBIs involvement, it’s unclear “whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them.”
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An examination of the case by Buzzfeed News also reveals that some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported. Working in secret, they did more than just passively observe and report on the actions of the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception. The extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy without them.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 9:39 am to Toomer Deplorable
Another point. They have footage of him at last charging station. Elon pulled the data and if he was dead prior by nefarious means that would require the truck to stop somewhere between charging station and hotel for someone to kill him and set it all up. That data would be available.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:00 am to OU Guy
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Another point. They have footage of him at last charging station. Elon pulled the data and if he was dead prior by nefarious means that would require the truck to stop somewhere between charging station and hotel for someone to kill him and set it all up. That data would be available.
Counterpoint: could such “data” be manipulated or altered unbeknownst to Musk or Tesla? I certainly don’t know the answer to that.
But going back to my earlier point, what I do know is that our nation’s intelligence apparatus is fundamentally corrupt and ispo facto, any final conclusions offered to us about this incident by the FBI are thus wholly suspect. I also know that whatever the motives behind this attack, the following image could be interpreted as an ultimate FU to the entire MAGA movement:
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:13 am to Toomer Deplorable
I wanted post this somewhere, but didn't think it was quite worthy of a new thread.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:19 am to Bunk Moreland
From former CIA officer Larry Johnson:
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I will make this simple — the FBI is lying about how the person inside the Tesla truck that exploded at the entrance of Trump Las Vegas died. I do not know if the person inside the Tesla driver’s compartment was Matt Livelsberger or not. Whoever it was did not die from a gunshot to the head.
Danny Davis invited me to appear on his show today but I was unable to make the date because I was teaching a class for Range Safety Officers. Danny and I had not spoken since my piece appeared last night (Friday), but he is tracking on the same anomalies that I spotted. The biggest one is the firearm the person inside the truck allegedly used to kill himself.
For starters, the Desert Eagle is a massive semi-automatic pistol. It shoots a .50 caliber cartridge, which is a devastating round. If fired inside a vehicle, there would be a visible fireball coming out of the end of the barrel. You can see what I am talking about in the following video:
If the bullet from that piece of ammunition had hit the driver of the Tesla in the head, little of the head would have been left intact. Danny Davis digs into these issues and provides an excellent collection of video shorts showing how damaging the bullet would be to a human skull. More importantly, Danny shows a video that captures the moment before the explosion takes place. The explosion is not directed at the head.
So why is the FBI lying about how the person inside the Tesla died?
I recommend you watch Danny’s breakdown of the incident. He shows a clear image of the explosion starting in the driver’s compartment. The driver is still sitting upright in the driver’s seat. That is not how a body would react that had been shot in the head. When you take into account the information contained in the email that Livelsberger sent to Shoemate (discussed in my previous article) and the documents allegedly recovered from his charred cell phone, then there is good reason for skepticism about this entire affair.
One other red flag — the media was being fed info from the Department of Defense early on portraying Livelsberger as a mental headcase without addressing the war crime in Afghanistan or the unusual drone activity that had the East coast mesmerized a couple of weeks back. FBI lies simply fuel suspicions that the US Government is hiding something important.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:30 am to notiger1997
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I still can't wrap my head around what kind of loon conspiracy some of these folks think is happening with this story.
I can’t wrap my head around how anyone could be up to date with the facts and not have questions. In this thread I have seen people question where the round that went through his head wound up - that’s a completely legitimate question and in no way a conspiracy or even a theory.
If you feel the need to settle the case in your own head, that’s fine, but conflating conspiracy theories with curiosity is a form of laziness that has been detrimental to our society and I think that is fairly obvious.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:33 am to Bunk Moreland
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I wanted post this somewhere, but didn't think it was quite worthy of a new thread.
They post that same stuff over and over again tricking people into thinking something new has been posted when reality is that it is the same stuff
They have done this for many years now
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:45 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Counterpoint: could such “data” be manipulated or altered unbeknownst to Musk or Tesla? I certainly don’t know the answer to that.
Is it possible, sure anything is. But I’m pretty familiar with those data payloads and the intervals they report. It would be insanely hard. Some of these sensors are doing millisecond measuring cycles. There would be so much data to backfill and override I just don’t see how this would be remotely worth it.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 10:49 am to SippyCup
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AGAIN….a Tesla auto pilot will disengage if the driver falls asleep or is dead.
Sorry
Posted on 1/5/25 at 11:04 am to billjamin
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Is it possible, sure anything is. But I’m pretty familiar with those data payloads and the intervals they report. It would be insanely hard. Some of these sensors are doing millisecond measuring cycles. There would be so much data to backfill and override I just don’t see how this would be remotely worth it.
Fair enough.
Whatever our political disagreements in the past, I always have found your contributions to this forum to be made in good faith.
Since you have a background in the industry, I certainly am prone to surrender the floor to someone who is more knowledgeable on these emerging automotive technologies than I.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:01 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I doubt it could be covered up. When I say Musk has the data its not solely him, he has experts he relied on from Tesla to get the data. He would have no reason to risk Tesla’s reputation by lying. Knowing the left is looking for anything to knock him down too.
I don’t trust any of our 3 letters. There are so many head scratchers about this too. But so far nothing viable has surfaced to show it either wasn’t him or he was dead prior.
One theory of mine is he went to Strip to try and blow up but it was locked down too tight. Since he had made his mind up to die he went to Trump tower more as a last minute option rather than planned?
We will likely never truly know. Anything put out by 3 letters is not trustworthy and that means people on the ground will have to speculate. Its a shame that after our own Gov setup J6 we now can’t trust them much. They were bad prior but J6 left no doubt they are not repping patriotic Americans.
I don’t trust any of our 3 letters. There are so many head scratchers about this too. But so far nothing viable has surfaced to show it either wasn’t him or he was dead prior.
One theory of mine is he went to Strip to try and blow up but it was locked down too tight. Since he had made his mind up to die he went to Trump tower more as a last minute option rather than planned?
We will likely never truly know. Anything put out by 3 letters is not trustworthy and that means people on the ground will have to speculate. Its a shame that after our own Gov setup J6 we now can’t trust them much. They were bad prior but J6 left no doubt they are not repping patriotic Americans.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:10 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Wouldn't you be slumped over or your head back if you just shot yourself in the head? Or did he tie his head back to the seat?
Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:51 pm to Bunk Moreland
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I will make this simple — the FBI is lying about how the person inside the Tesla truck that exploded at the entrance of Trump Las Vegas died. I do not know if the person inside the Tesla driver’s compartment was Matt Livelsberger or not. Whoever it was did not die from a gunshot to the head.
Here is Daniel Davis’ breakdown of the surveillance video for anyone interested:
From such a low quality video, I certainly can’t say that there are any signs that the body in the seat was alive prior to the detonation.
Yet if this person had a gunshot wound to the head from a Desert Eagle handgun as claimed by the FBI, the head would be vaporized by the kinetic energy released from such a large-caliber round:
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