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re: Netherlands gets ready for child euthanasia
Posted on 10/14/20 at 1:54 pm to boxcarbarney
Posted on 10/14/20 at 1:54 pm to boxcarbarney
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Look, I'm not saying I agree with this, but my 12 year old has been really pushing my buttons lately
This post was edited on 10/14/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 10/15/20 at 6:49 am to berrycajun
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Your post made me think of something that i often wonder about. We have a teen who had brain cancer. She’s fine now.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 6:53 am to EKG
I get why this seems awful, but it states for terminal illness or serious disability that children "will have access to euthanasia".
So if they choose it. No one is just euthanizing children willy-nilley.
So if they choose it. No one is just euthanizing children willy-nilley.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 6:59 am to EKG
Just so we are clear, this is not some general euthanasia license. It applies only in cases of terminal illness.
That is not entirely clear from the OP.
If a competent adult is terminally-ill, it is my view that he has every right to end his own life and SHOULD have the right to have assistance in doing so. Tougher call for children, but either we trust parents to make the decisions that are best for their children or we do not.
That is not entirely clear from the OP.
If a competent adult is terminally-ill, it is my view that he has every right to end his own life and SHOULD have the right to have assistance in doing so. Tougher call for children, but either we trust parents to make the decisions that are best for their children or we do not.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:01 am to The Maj
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:03 am to Ollieoxenfree99
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I get why this seems awful, but it states for terminal illness or serious disability that children "will have access to euthanasia".
So if they choose it. No one is just euthanizing children willy-nilley.
Who is choosing though? The underage child can’t consent.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:03 am to EKG
The Nordic countries have been practicing defacto euthanasia for years.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:03 am to Hester Carries
quote:Yeah, it really is an ethical quandary. An adult can end his own suffering, but a loving parent cannot do the same for his child.
I am pro-euthanasia with consent of the patient. Which a child cant give.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:04 am to jlovel7
Is that the law there though? Why shouldn't any person that is terminally ill and suffering, be able to elect euthanasia?
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:06 am to BayBengal9
quote:So, you are thinking of yourself. At least you are honest about it.
I would rather bear the pain and agony of watching my child suffer the pain and agony of a disease rather than deal with the guilt and remorse of literally killing them.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:08 am to berrycajun
This may be the most-thoughtful post I have ever seen from you. Kudos.
And congrats on your child kicking the arse of cancer.
And congrats on your child kicking the arse of cancer.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:10 am to AggieHank86
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So, you are thinking of yourself.
Like women who have abortions?
Aren't you pro-choice?
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:15 am to 93and99
quote:Early term, absolutely. And I have no qualms whatsoever acknowledging that I prioritize the existing legal rights of the pregnant woman over the non-existent rights of a non-sentient organism.quote:Like women who have abortions. Aren't you pro-choice?
So, you are thinking of yourself.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:24 am to AggieHank86
Ok, why is it OK for a woman to butcher her fetus but a parent can't "think of themselves" when deciding not to euthanize their terminally ill child?
You do realize you are practicing hypocrisy don't you?
I thought only Democrats practice hypocrisy and not Libertarians?
You do realize you are practicing hypocrisy don't you?
I thought only Democrats practice hypocrisy and not Libertarians?
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:27 am to 93and99
It is only “hypocrisy” if you accept the ridiculous notion that a non-sentient organism has legal rights. I think that notion is silly beyond words.
And I did not SAY or IMPLY that Bengal cannot think of himself. I complimented his honesty for admitting that he was doing so. Most would hide behind euphemism.
And I did not SAY or IMPLY that Bengal cannot think of himself. I complimented his honesty for admitting that he was doing so. Most would hide behind euphemism.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 7:30 am
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:29 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The Nordic countries have been practicing defacto euthanasia for years.
Can’t trust those Goths that stayed home
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:32 am to EKG
Amazing that a doctor cant determine the gender of a child...but can determine the quality of life that child will have
Posted on 10/15/20 at 7:42 am to AggieHank86
I expect shitty takes from you, and you never disappoint.
Yes, as well as my child. I am not going to potentially risk my immortal soul and being eventually reunited with my child in Heaven by electing to perform an act which I know is evil and contrary to God's will. Simultaneously, I will not presume that my child's pain and suffering is "meaningless" and that there is not a Higher Good being performed or exemplified in the course of their illness. Finally, I'm not going to dictate what is unknowing, God's will, on my terms (or my child's).
Fixed a few things in there for you, since I know you have no clue when "sentience" in a human being begins or ends. We do, however, know when a heartbeat begins. Does that mean anything? I guess that's between you and the big man upstairs.
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So, you are thinking of yourself. At least you are honest about it.
Yes, as well as my child. I am not going to potentially risk my immortal soul and being eventually reunited with my child in Heaven by electing to perform an act which I know is evil and contrary to God's will. Simultaneously, I will not presume that my child's pain and suffering is "meaningless" and that there is not a Higher Good being performed or exemplified in the course of their illness. Finally, I'm not going to dictate what is unknowing, God's will, on my terms (or my child's).
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And I have no qualms whatsoever acknowledging that I prioritize the existing legal rights of the pregnant woman over the non-existent rights of a potentially non-sentient human being.
Fixed a few things in there for you, since I know you have no clue when "sentience" in a human being begins or ends. We do, however, know when a heartbeat begins. Does that mean anything? I guess that's between you and the big man upstairs.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 8:20 am to PEEPO
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Once you embrace the nihilism of atheism, nothing is off limits.
These godless people will murder their own children like tossing out an apple core.
Empty people, leading empty lives.
Moloch is forever ravenous; never sated.
Sadly in a country where Christians once rescued Jews, provided them false identities, hid them from the Nazis and, when caught, paid for it by going to the camps and dying there themselves...
A very long fall in only a few decades.
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The character of the German regime and its tremendous efficiency made it more dangerous to rescue Jews in Holland than in Belgium or France. Anyone caught helping Jews in the latter countries would suffer a relatively mild punishment, but in Holland he or she was likely to be executed or sent to a concentration camp, where the chances of survival were very slim. The German and Dutch police conducted searches for hidden Jews and gave informants a sum of money for every Jew caught with their help. The German police also enticed Jews to leave their hiding places with false promises to save them from deportation.
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