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re: "Net Neutrality" supporters want sites banned
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:31 am to bonhoeffer45
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:31 am to bonhoeffer45
That's basically what politics is at this stage, take the worst examples of your opponent that you can find and try to create a narrative that all of your opponents are equivalent to that example.
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:35 am to Displaced
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in a system where the big players refuse to compete with each other?
Where does such a system exists??
We need to end the power of cities to give franchise agreements to cable companies, for example. Let Cox and Charter run down the right of way instead of franchising in Cox.
Who here only has one choice today of ISPs????
I know some rural areas are limited but even in a town like Hammond there are three or four today.
I wish the Louisiana PSC would allow and encourage energy and the various EMCs to get in the business.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:38 am to bonhoeffer45
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So less then a half dozen idiots that don't really grasp what net neutrality does, is a story? A
You understand the FCC decision under Obama to consider the net as a utility does in fact give them the authority to censor???
As far as this net neutrality BS goes---just how much of a pipeline should some government bureaucrat declare that must be provide to each user?? How much bandwidth should a ISP have to provide you? Answer those questions and then you start to understand how dangerous giving this power to the government really is.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:39 am to I B Freeman
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Where does such a system exists??
In a lot of local municipalities where existing ISPs use bought and paid for politicians to quash actual competition. Go look into Google Fiber and the issues they had and tell me there is real competition.
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Who here only has one choice today of ISPs????
For 100 Mbps service only 10% of Americans have acces to two or more providers.
For 25 Mbps service that jumps to a whopping 22%
So assuming this board is representative of the U.S., approximately 10-22%
That is not a free market.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:40 am to CorporateTiger
That is so lame.
But I will put you down as favoring bureaucrats dictating the service levels and possibly the content that is available to you from ISPs.
But I will put you down as favoring bureaucrats dictating the service levels and possibly the content that is available to you from ISPs.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:41 am to I B Freeman
But I thought the whole point of net neutrality was to give a level playing field with an open internet? Doesn't this destroy their whole reasoning for defending net neutrality?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:44 am to I B Freeman
I will put you down as willfully blind to big Telecom's systemic destruction of our free market using local and state governments.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:46 am to TBoy
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Net neutrality is not a "liberal" issue. It is very plainly an issue which allows everyone, liberal, conservative, whatever, the right to access what they want to access.
That is not the case at all.
That is what you think it is BUT that is not it.
It is the regulation of band width. You might argue it is equal access to the bandwidth a bureaucrat says should be available to you but it is absolutely regulation and nothing neutral about it.
How much access should you have--ask someone at the FCC. STUPID idea.
I prefer to buy my access to bandwidth to my own liking.
What so many net neutrality advocates want is CHEAP access to huge pipelines as if such pipelines just magically appear.
ATT throttling your content? switch. You should be demanding fewer impediments to ISP establishments not more as FCC regulation has proven time and time again it is.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:48 am to I B Freeman
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says who??? When the FCC gave themselves power to regulate the internet as a utility inherent in that was the right of censorship.
It forced ISPs to treat all data equally, regardless of the source. It was partially in response to Comcast dramatically slowing down Netflix to it's customers. It's to prevent consumers for having to pay for tired internet packages, like with cable.
Basically, to prevent this...
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:49 am to I B Freeman
I am not okay with the FCC controlling the internet, they will eventually get into regulating content, news, language, etc. However, if the FTC wanted to regulate ISPs in the similar way as the FCC was I would be more okay with this. Initially the FCC just wanted to regulate the flow of data and make sure that some packets were not prioritized over other packets or charged differently. I personally think this fits more into the FTCs realm anyways, especially in regards to charging other companies and consumers.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:50 am to CorporateTiger
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In a lot of local municipalities where existing ISPs use bought and paid for politicians to quash actual competition. Go look into Google Fiber and the issues they had and tell me there is real competition.
WHAT HAVE I BEEN SAYING SINCE THE GET_GO on this !!!
If you want true freedom of access instead inviting more bureaucrats into the regulation you should be demanding more be eliminated.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:51 am to I B Freeman
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What so many net neutrality advocates want is CHEAP access to huge pipelines as if such pipelines just magically appear.
Straw man. Comcast can build whatever speed network they want and charge what they want for it. If they built fiber and charged $500 a month for it there is no issue under net neutrality.
It only requires them treat all of the content equally. It doesn't set price controls at all.
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ATT throttling your content? switch. You should be demanding fewer impediments to ISP establishments not more as FCC regulation has proven time and time again it is.
There is no mechanism for me to demand that St. Paul Minnesota reform their ISP regulation since I love states away from there. Well there is one, which is that the FCC occupy this entire field and preempt such local ordinances. Is that what you want?
Also refer to my chart about switching.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:52 am to I B Freeman
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If you want true freedom of access instead inviting more bureaucrats into the regulation you should be demanding more be eliminated
Yes in my ideal world that happens. My ideal world is nowhere near reality. NN is a workable solution to keep me from getting totally assfricked until actual change in the market occurs.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:53 am to CCTider
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It forced ISPs to treat all data equally, regardless of the source. It was partially in response to Comcast dramatically slowing down Netflix to it's customers. It's to prevent consumers for having to pay for tired internet packages, like with cable
You are correct, however, it also gave the FCC standing to regulate on the content, even if they said they wouldn't, that doesn't mean a future administration wouldn't, government gets corrupt, that is why we have to have proper controls in place. IMO it should be regulated by FTC as I mentioned above. FTC cannot regulate on content, only on business practices.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:53 am to CorporateTiger
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I will put you down as willfully blind to big Telecom's systemic destruction of our free market using local and state governments.
OMG.
So in addition to the idiotic bureaucrats at the local and state level you want federal bureaucrats too??
This is suppose to make more ISPs available to people????
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:53 am to I B Freeman
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You net neutrality boys are crazy to want the government to dictate pipeline speeds
We want he government to prevent ISPs from slowing a competitive website down. If you're afraid and believe in a liberal media conspiracy, them you should be actively supporting net neutrality more than anyone. Without it, a liberal ISP could legally censor conservative websites.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:54 am to Seldom Seen
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Net Neutrality is what we thought it was. All you had to do is look at who was pushing it to know it was a bad
Please... Elaborate. Because a majority of Americans see this as a bipartisan issue. Who do you think is pushing it?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:54 am to I B Freeman
I say government should stay the frick away from the internet. frick net neutrality.
If ISP X wants to frick around with bandwidth, I'll jump to ISP Y. Stay the frick out, government.
If ISP X wants to frick around with bandwidth, I'll jump to ISP Y. Stay the frick out, government.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:55 am to I B Freeman
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This is suppose to make more ISPs available to people????
I've never said that. I have said NN preserves some rights until we actually get a free market.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:55 am to SoulGlo
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