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re: NBC Chuck Todd critical of Obama in book just released
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:55 pm to KCT
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:55 pm to KCT
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The man's 20 year relationship with a bigot like Jeremiah Wright should have forced Obama out of the race. Any GOP candidate with an association to a similar bigot would've instantly ended that person's campaign. Also, the bigoted remarks Obama made about white people in rural Pennsylvania should've been a huge deal.
If I had a dime for every time you've posted this, I could get drunk tonight.
But honestly I can't understand why this is "bigoted":
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"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
It's the truth and not close to what you post on this board in terms of bigotry every day.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
Obama doesn't know how to govern like a LBJ.
There is no wheeling and dealing going on and that's his fault. Politics is about trade offs and you never see the President working deals, it's disappointing. Still, it just shows how bad he is with personal relationships and that's coming from democrats too.
There is no wheeling and dealing going on and that's his fault. Politics is about trade offs and you never see the President working deals, it's disappointing. Still, it just shows how bad he is with personal relationships and that's coming from democrats too.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:04 pm to trackfan
The best question of Obama's PC Wednesday was when one reporter asked him about McConnell's comment earlier that day that he (McConnell) had only had one or two one-on-one meetings with Obama in 6 years. 
Obama had the "deer in the headlights" look for a few moments, because what could he say? He had been busted.
Of course, that was back in Obama's "elections have consequences" days. It's all different now.
Obama had the "deer in the headlights" look for a few moments, because what could he say? He had been busted.
Of course, that was back in Obama's "elections have consequences" days. It's all different now.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:44 pm to KCT
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Did we learn some disturbing things about Obama in 2007/2008? Yes, we did. The man's 20 year relationship with a bigot like Jeremiah Wright should have forced Obama out of the race
You went off the rails right here.
1) Wright is not a bigot, lest you can provide a quote of his in which disaprages some race, religion or ethnic group like you routinely do.
2) Fair-minded people don't believe in guilt by association which is why the American people elected him twice despite knowing about his friendship with a militant Black preacher.
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Any GOP candidate with an association to a similar bigot would've instantly ended that person's campaign.
I guess you've never heard of folks like Bob Jones, Rod Parsely, John Hagee, Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell, and other Republican-associated preachers who have all expressed explicitly bigoted comments about various groups of people. Both Ron and Rand Paul have some bigoted associates, but I would still vote for them because like I said earlier, I don't believe in guilt by association.
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Also, the bigoted remarks Obama made about white people in rural Pennsylvania should've been a huge deal.
Obama has never made any comments about "White people". His admittedly ill-advised comment made no mention of "White people".
White =/= Rural Pennsylvania
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But the fact is, the media barely touched those stories. What would've been a feeding frenzy for a GOP candidate was barely a hiccup for Obama.
Are you kidding? The whole country saw the Wright tapes. Obviously the American people aren't as obsessed with race as you are.
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Your contention that they are objective might be the most outlandish non-Muslim comment you've ever made.
I made no mention of NBC/MSNBC's poltical slant, only that there are some straight news people there who aren't Democratic locksteppers.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:45 pm to trackfan
you think holder is a great american, your opinion on wright is less than worthless
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:46 pm to TOKEN
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Obama doesn't know how to govern like a LBJ.
There is no wheeling and dealing going on and that's his fault. Politics is about trade offs and you never see the President working deals, it's disappointing. Still, it just shows how bad he is with personal relationships and that's coming from democrats too.
This pretty much nails it.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 1:55 pm to Tiguar
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you think holder is a great american, your opinion on wright is less than worthless
What you or I think about either of these men is irrelevant, but it is a fact that Wright never made any bigoted comments on the tapes that FOX ran on a loop 24/7. By the way, the last I checked, Mike Huckabee wasn't some left-wing apologist for Black racists and he knows a thing or two about the Church. Check out what he said about Wright.
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Huckabee also had this to say about judging people based on the sermons they hear in Church.
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If people went back and heard every sermon I heard when I was a little kid and some of the more fundamentalist pastors were yelling from the pulpit at me, if they took every one of those sermons and lifted out of them certain phrases and things, it could be scandalous, but only out of the context of the bigger picture. That's why I thought that a lot of the focus on Jeremiah Wright was misplaced.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:22 pm to trackfan
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If fantasies help you sleep better at night, by all means, please continue to deny reality.
If you think someone who starts a dialogue with "I won" is someone that is setting the conditions for compromise and bipartisanship, then you are more of a loon than I thought you were.
His own guys are selling him out. You can drop the charade now.
This post was edited on 11/6/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:26 pm to trackfan
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1) Wright is not a bigot, lest you can provide a quote of his in which disaprages some race, religion or ethnic group like you routinely do.
2) Fair-minded people don't believe in guilt by association which is why the American people elected him twice despite knowing about his friendship with a militant Black preacher.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 2:42 pm to trackfan
Trackfan, you and VB can believe whatever you will about (1) Obama's association with Jeremiah Wright, or Obama throwing rural whites under the bus because, God forbid, he was trailing HRC in the Pennsylvania primary and had to do something to justify his second-place status.
Regarding Wright, I'll use none other than Obama himself as a person who thought the content of those tapes demonstrated extremist, BLT views. If Jeremiah Wright wasn't making unacceptable comments on those tapes, why did Obama distance himself from the bigot once the American people heard that crap?
What was unbelievable about Obama was that he claimed he had no idea that Jeremiah Wright held those views. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knew Obama was lying about that.
As for Obama's comments about rural white people in Pennsylvania, it was total bullshite. How do people "cling" to guns? Obama himself claims to be a Christian, so why was he insulting them for being devoutly religious?
I stand by my comment, which obtw, VB is correct when he says I've mentioned the Jeremiah Wright association many, many times. I have been right every time I've posted it, too. I still can't believe that we now live in a country where a politician can have a voluntary relationship with a pos like Jeremiah Wright and still be taken seriously as a viable presidential candidate.
That's the difference between us, trackfan. I will always back up my comments. OTOH, I've asked you many times to denounce Muslim violence committed in the name of Islam. You won't do it.
Why?
Regarding Wright, I'll use none other than Obama himself as a person who thought the content of those tapes demonstrated extremist, BLT views. If Jeremiah Wright wasn't making unacceptable comments on those tapes, why did Obama distance himself from the bigot once the American people heard that crap?
What was unbelievable about Obama was that he claimed he had no idea that Jeremiah Wright held those views. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knew Obama was lying about that.
As for Obama's comments about rural white people in Pennsylvania, it was total bullshite. How do people "cling" to guns? Obama himself claims to be a Christian, so why was he insulting them for being devoutly religious?
I stand by my comment, which obtw, VB is correct when he says I've mentioned the Jeremiah Wright association many, many times. I have been right every time I've posted it, too. I still can't believe that we now live in a country where a politician can have a voluntary relationship with a pos like Jeremiah Wright and still be taken seriously as a viable presidential candidate.
That's the difference between us, trackfan. I will always back up my comments. OTOH, I've asked you many times to denounce Muslim violence committed in the name of Islam. You won't do it.
Why?
Posted on 11/6/14 at 11:05 pm to KCT
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If Jeremiah Wright wasn't making unacceptable comments on those tapes, why did Obama distance himself from the bigot once the American people heard that crap?
I never denied that the comments were inflammatory, I'm just denying that they were bigoted. Did you also hear the part of Obama's speech where he said that he never heard Wright make a racist or anti-Semitic comment in all his years of knowing him?
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What was unbelievable about Obama was that he claimed he had no idea that Jeremiah Wright held those views. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knew Obama was lying about that.
Why do you folks keep saying this nonsense? Do you think that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true? Not only did Obama not say this, but he explicitly admitted that he was very familiar with Wright's controversial political views and inflammatory rhetoric.
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As for Obama's comments about rural white people in Pennsylvania, it was total bullshite. How do people "cling" to guns? Obama himself claims to be a Christian, so why was he insulting them for being devoutly religious?
Another lie. You're really on a roll today. Obama never made any mention of "White people" in the tape you referenced. You really have a penchant for confusing your fantasies with reality.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:37 am to michaeldwde
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There's no way that's possible.
He's completely in the tank for Obama. He would never, ever, ever, say anything bad about him or challenge him in anyway.
Rush Limbaugh says so.
Stupid post.
btw - Rush says just the opposite. He been saying for years that the journalists save the 'good stuff' for after the elections to put in their books.
text your mom to bring you some more hot chocolate to the basement.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 6:57 am to trackfan
Are you a paid operative of the Democratic Party, its affiliates, or an organization funded by George Soros?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 7:59 am to trackfan
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Anyway, doesn't Todd's book undermine your claim that MSNBC has no real journalist, just Democratic locksteppers and Obama cheerleaders?
Burying the truth until it's too late to affect The Man in Power is not real journalism under any commonly understood definition of the term.
Can you accept this simple truth, or, is your allegiance to blind ideology making it impossible for you to reason?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:17 am to KCT
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Here's a crazy thought, Chuckie. Perhaps you and your cohorts could've done your jobs of vetting this empty suit in 2007-2008 and saved us a lot of grief.
I had him figured out in 2008, but regardless, congratulations on recognizing the obvious by 2014. Good job.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:24 am to michaeldwde
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He's completely in the tank for Obama. He would never, ever, ever, say anything bad about him or challenge him in anyway.
Rush Limbaugh says so.
Apparenlty Mr. Todd was "completely in the tank for Obama." Why did he wait to release this book when it could do no harm to President Obama?
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