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re: Navy SEAL Craig ‘Sawman’ Sawyer warns of ‘gruesome massacre’ if Trump removed from office
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:43 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:43 pm to Errerrerrwere
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But imagining that Pence is going to side with the liberals and have an all out war against his own supporters is naive, at best.
Yeah, I'm not digging in to the different scenarios, just offering my opinion on how the average soldier would react to orders to fire on citizens. For that to be a lawful order, in my mind, there must have been sufficient evidence that the "rebels" were enemies of the constitution. And if I believed that evidence to be compelling, I would fire. If not, I would refuse. Again, unless the rebels are on the offensive. In that case all bets are off.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:45 pm to Volkosoby
I think that Mr. Sawyer is speaking from emotion rather than with rationality.
The most likely scenario is that the US electorate will accept what is dished out to them by the Globalist Ruling Class, and, they will accept it without some kind of violent outburst.
Authoritarianism will come in 100 years or so because the indoctrinated young will one day vote for it of their own free will. And if they don't, well. The case of Trump demonstrates that it's not difficult to correct the error when We the People vote for an Outsider Reformer.
I think that we can all look forward to our taxes gradually going up to at least half of what we earn for everyone who works for a living. Might take ten years for it to play out, but, once they impose a Federal Sales Tax and a Global Warming International Treaty Tax, we are going to be fleeced.
The most likely scenario is that the US electorate will accept what is dished out to them by the Globalist Ruling Class, and, they will accept it without some kind of violent outburst.
Authoritarianism will come in 100 years or so because the indoctrinated young will one day vote for it of their own free will. And if they don't, well. The case of Trump demonstrates that it's not difficult to correct the error when We the People vote for an Outsider Reformer.
I think that we can all look forward to our taxes gradually going up to at least half of what we earn for everyone who works for a living. Might take ten years for it to play out, but, once they impose a Federal Sales Tax and a Global Warming International Treaty Tax, we are going to be fleeced.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:47 pm to northshorebamaman
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Again, unless the rebels are on the offensive.
Wouldn't the "rebels" have to be on the offensive in order to overthrow the US Government? How would they not take the offensive?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:53 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I think the Navy Seal who said this is dumb for assuming that Trump is innocent before the investigation concludes.
While I have no doubt our government is corrupt as shite and they would like nothing more than a coup to remove Trump. But I also don't think Trump is squeaky clean either.
I hope if the shite hits the fan that people will keep in mind that it is not everyday Americans that would be attempting to overthrow Trump, it is the establishment in Washington that (presumably) would be falsifying evidence against Trump.
In a nutshell, I'd hate to see everyday Americans getting dragged into a civil war when it is the ones in Washington who are causing all the problems.
While I have no doubt our government is corrupt as shite and they would like nothing more than a coup to remove Trump. But I also don't think Trump is squeaky clean either.
I hope if the shite hits the fan that people will keep in mind that it is not everyday Americans that would be attempting to overthrow Trump, it is the establishment in Washington that (presumably) would be falsifying evidence against Trump.
In a nutshell, I'd hate to see everyday Americans getting dragged into a civil war when it is the ones in Washington who are causing all the problems.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:53 pm to Champagne
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Wouldn't the "rebels" have to be on the offensive in order to overthrow the US Government? How would they not take the offensive?
I was thinking micro not macro. For me, personally, being directly assaulted would make it easier to fire than going out on seek and destroy missions.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:10 pm to Champagne
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Authoritarianism will come in 100 years or so because the indoctrinated young will one day vote for it of their own free will. And if they don't, well. The case of Trump demonstrates that it's not difficult to correct the error when We the People vote for an Outsider Reformer.
Well, it's obvious that the "error" is a subjective (Ideological) assessment; and that any overturned Election would essentially prove that it is very difficult to "correct the error".
I think that the involvement of the Military - when they are Constitutionally-limited in their capacity to employ their arms on National soil - makes the Military a moot issue. Not even the Secretary of Defense would give the order to pull that trigger.
Now what former Military does - people who have KILLED as a daily and patriotic task - is another story. What Sawyer has done is to INTRODUCE the Idea of armed revolt if Meuller recommends Impeachment for Trump for _________....but ignores overt and on the Record obvious criminal acts by Hillary, Comey, Lynch, et al. What that would say to all Patriots (Trump Nation) is that this action is indeed a 'coup'...soft, political version. But an abuse of the Equal Justice Constitutional principle, and a usurpation and nullification of Electoral process as well. And...just what/where do we go from there?
It is the introduction of this Idea - a 'red line' of sorts - and one when contemplated by many, hard men who have and will shed blood for Principle are forced to contemplate and take sides because of the seriousness of the entire issue.
It is easy to see the passion, as exemplified by the Posts in this thread.
Book it...a lot of serious people with guns, who have killed other people in the line of their patriotic duty, and thinking about this 'Idea' right now. And it won't be going away...unless or until Meuller's Investigation is determined to be fair...or another 'Martha Stewart' con job which slams a relatively innocent individual for a 'process crime'...but ignores the FACT that Congressional Elites could Inside Trade on a whim.
It's first up to Meuller...and if he goes bad on some petty bs...it then is up to Trump to either fold...or call. And mind you, 'folding' would be perceived as cowardly, and opening the Nation to corrupt Deep State tyranny.
Debate pissing games aside...only time will tell.
(sorry for the mistype edit; "folding" v "calling being critical.)
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:11 pm to Revelator
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You probably said this about those who once said there would be transgendered people in the military or men would be allowed in ladies bathrooms.
Johnny Uterus?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:18 pm to Volkosoby
SEALs are such drama queens.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:19 pm to AU_Right
I can guarantee all here that Trump is not going to be illegally removed from office. No chance of that.
Now, will he be impeached and then found GUILTY and thus removed from office legally? My guess is there is little chance of that. Maybe 1% at most.
Now, will he be impeached and then found GUILTY and thus removed from office legally? My guess is there is little chance of that. Maybe 1% at most.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:21 pm to dbeck
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While I have no doubt our government is corrupt as shite and they would like nothing more than a coup to remove Trump. But I also don't think Trump is squeaky clean either.
I doubt Trump is squeaky clean -- no billionaire likely is. All of them have broken some tax law or financial regulation somewhere along the line. Guaranteed.
It was Hillary and the media's job to "vet" Trump's past. They found nothing of any significance other than some locker room talk. If there was anything of any significance there, they would have found it, that I can tell you.
They had over a year to uncover something. After he is president is not the time to go on these expeditions. It's bullshite and I think even most Democrats know it.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:33 pm to RCDfan1950
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And...just what/where do we go from there?
The masses will do what they must . . . cash their checks from work or welfare and pay their taxes, which are going to rise, because we are not going to stop this Global Wealth Redistribution scheme in which we are trapped.
100 years from now the schoolchildren will be horrified that we weren't all happy to accept Global Wealth Redistribution and giving half of what we earn for the Benefit of the World.
So stop talking about armed rebellion all of you selfish, greedy, violent, cis-gendered, white male sons of bitches.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:38 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:of course it is, no one cares enough to get out in the street to be mowed down to start with.
Like I said, I hope it doesn't come to that; but thinking the US will just mow down citizens in the streets is absurd
We just like to bitch about stuff.
Hell there are 26 threads a week on the OT to ask advice on how to confront a neighbor for doing something
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:15 pm to Errerrerrwere
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I believe he can legally command them to do anything.
Not if it violates posse comitadus.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:35 pm to Volkosoby
Everyone calm down.
I will let you know when you need to be revolting. Most of you are already revolting enough.
I will let you know when you need to be revolting. Most of you are already revolting enough.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:54 pm to Volkosoby
Dude is moron.
His sauces are morons.
Team dumbass.
His sauces are morons.
Team dumbass.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:57 pm to cajunangelle
The premise is a fallacy. If trump is impeached it wont be a railroad job.
How is big seal going to spin it when teen sex is the crime?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:23 pm to Volkosoby
Let me see if I've got this straight...
1. "Sawman" threatens current and former military will rise up and start murdering peopole if Trump is removed from office. We'll assume for sake of argument, as most here are, that impeachment is grounds for this upheaval.
2. The process of impeachment is laid out in the Constitution, and by definition would be carried out by our duly elected senators and representatives.
So...tell me again which side is threatening a coup here?
1. "Sawman" threatens current and former military will rise up and start murdering peopole if Trump is removed from office. We'll assume for sake of argument, as most here are, that impeachment is grounds for this upheaval.
2. The process of impeachment is laid out in the Constitution, and by definition would be carried out by our duly elected senators and representatives.
So...tell me again which side is threatening a coup here?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:28 pm to brouski
If the POTUS ordered the military to take out threats then it would be a constitutional crisis of biblical proportions
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:35 pm to Volkosoby
Well one side has 8 trillion rounds of ammunition and the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. Should be a short conflict.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:37 pm to rebeloke
The one poliboard regular with the bona fides to have a valid opinion is laughing at this thread.
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