re: Navy officer applies to become the first ever woman to join the elite SEALs

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Way I see it is like this:

Don't change any of the requirements. If they pass, they're in. Doesn't matter their gender, and debates regarding IF women can do it or not is irrelevant. The SEAL team program is so small individuals can be weighed on merits instead of large scale debates on genetics and physiology.

If it ends up forcing people to make changes to the actual requirements, then I'm against. It's not "unfair" if the requirements mean a 100% dropout rate for women. Hell, the dropout rate NOW is 83%. That's a LOT of dudes who thought they were cut out for it who clearly weren't (and I'm not knocking them - I'd be washed out before breakfast on day one).

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It is no knock to say that you didn't make it through BUDS, you are right there. I've seen a study that said you have a better chance of having two children graduate from Harvard than you do of having one who becomes a Navy SEAL. Those guys are no joke.

That being said. The guys who drop out of these type schools, they don't drop out because they are incapable of meeting the physical requirements. THat's not how it works. You don't even get a shot at Ranger School if you can't do X,Y,and Z. So if women can't do X,Y, or Z they should be cut out to begin with. It was actually found that they were NOT capable of doing so, so X,Y,and Z were removed from the list of things a person must be able to do to get to Ranger school.

Unless they likewise change the requirements for SEALs there is no point in allowing women to apply because under the current requirements no woman can qualify.

Earlier you cited 85% drop out rate at BUD/S, and that is true, but it's also true that only around 15% of men who apply even get a chance because the other 85% don't meet the minimum entry requirements.

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They already did.

The women who got selected for ranger school passed the minimum selection standard but were selected above men who performed at a higher level. Men who absolutely would have passed at a higher rate.

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No, "they" didn't.

It's been pointed out already, and not even by me, that there is a large gap between Ranger School and BUD/S.

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Yea accepting a female who has a 100% chance of failing does nothing but take a class slot from a more eligible male candidate who has a high % of making it through.

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Now, NO ONE has a high chance of making it through special forces training of any kind.

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Now, NO ONE has a high chance of making it through special forces training of any kind.

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meant to say higher chance, not high.

Men have a higher chance of making through compared to a female.

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Of course you didn't know that.

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No need to look down on people who don't know the technical jargon and such bro. I think I even earlier mistakenly used the term "ranger school" when I was referring to RASP2, and I have my beret and patch. Never served in the Regiment, went a different route, but definitely survived the courses.

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I didn't say that. Stop lying.

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Yea you did

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I did make a point. You just didn't like it because you let your emotions get the better of you.

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and what point is that???

You brought up a female who saw combat, shes not the first or last. But no where did that justify why females should be in combat arms or special operations.

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No need to look down on people who don't know the technical jargon and such bro. I think I even earlier mistakenly used the term "ranger school" when I was referring to RASP2, and I have my beret and patch. Never served in the Regiment, went a different route, but definitely survived the courses.

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She needs to be called out, bc she has been talking shite to all the military members in here. Claiming to be military but won't disclose what she does. All while being clueless on basic military stuff.

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Yea you did

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No I didn't. I said so you can hang out with others and not get in the way.

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You brought up a female who saw combat, shes not the first or last. But no where did that justify why females should be in combat arms or special operations.

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You brought up a TACP dude that was injured by an IED to make an obscure point.

I brought up a female that excelled in combat. How many Silver Stars do you have? Have a CAB?

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is a leadership course...........

Hell an AF chief just went through it last year.

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I addressed what was brought up by others.

Call them out.

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Literally the military has been paying personal trainers for these women giving them a year of prep time to just pass the initial PT standards and they still can't meet the standard.

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They have been doing the same for men since 2008, the Naval Special Warfare Preparatory School was established to help increase the number of recruits that qualify for BUDS.


"As part of a Navy-wide plan to recruit and grow the Navy's elite Sea, Air and Land warriors, or Navy SEALs, a new school was officially recognized Feb. 7. The Naval Special Warfare Preparatory School will now be a unique step for Sailors looking to become SEALS."


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