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NATO Exists To Solve The Problems Created By NATO’s Existence

Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:08 pm
Hmm... Something to consider.
I would argue that it is national security welfare for Europe.

Zero Hedge

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NATO has doubled down on its determination to eventually add Ukraine to its membership, renewing its 2008 commitment to that goal in a meeting between the foreign ministers of the alliance in Bucharest, Romania this past Tuesday.


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It has become fashionable among the mainstream western commentariat to claim that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine had nothing to do with NATO expansion , but as recently explained by Philippe Lemoine for the Center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, that’s a completely false narrative that requires snipping past comments made by Putin out of the context in which they were made. Many western experts warned for years in advance that NATO expansion would lead to a conflict like the one we’re seeing today, and they were of course correct.


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 As the late scholar on US-Russia relations Stephen Cohen explained years before the Ukraine crisis erupted in 2014, Moscow sees NATO as an “American sphere of influence,” and the expansion of NATO and NATO influence as expansion of that sphere. It reacts to this with hostility just as the US would react to China or Russia building up aggressive military alliances on its borders, and arguably with vastly more restraint than the US would.


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A defensive alliance doesn’t look to pick fights with a country on a different continent,” tweeted Jacobin’s Branko Marcetic. “This is some classic mission creep from NATO – or, more accurately, Washington.”


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When you ignore all the empty narrative fluff and really boil it down to the raw language of actual behavior, NATO’s existence really does seem to be premised on the circular reasoning that without NATO there’d be nobody to protect the world from the consequences of NATO’s actions. It goes out of its way to threaten powerful nations and then justifies its existence by their responses to those threats. It’s a self-licking ice cream cone, or, if you prefer, a self-licking boot.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:13 pm to
Posted by Johnpettigrew
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:15 pm to
Why would NATO be any different then government. Government always creates the problem then tells everyone they know how to fix it
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:18 pm to
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I would argue that it is national security welfare for Europe.


Security from whom?

Looks to me that taking marching orders from Uncle Sam has led to Europeans experiencing mass inflation, an energy crisis, and public unrest.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:21 pm to
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Security FOR whom?


This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 7:30 pm
Posted by LSUbest
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:26 pm to
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:46 pm to
You fricking idiot.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:49 pm to
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Security from whom?


The Russians

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Looks to me that taking marching orders from Uncle Sam has led to Europeans experiencing mass inflation, an energy crisis, and public unrest.



May want to look again
Posted by lsuguy84
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:50 pm to
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You fricking idiot.


Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15843 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:51 pm to
NATO was created to stop Russian aggression.

It has worked perfectly.

frick off commie
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:52 pm to
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Many western experts warned for years in advance that NATO expansion would lead to a conflict like the one we’re seeing today, and they were of course correct.

I guess the measuring stick for all future foreign policy for every nation on earth should be “would Russia like this?”.


What a fricking ridiculous premise
Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:53 pm to
Let Russia try to put nukes in Cuba and see what the US threatens to do.

Oh wait. That already happened. And we threatened nuclear war.

Expanding NATO into Ukraine is no different. The US is not the choir boys taking up for freedom around the world they lead us to believe.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:56 pm to
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A defensive alliance doesn’t look to pick fights with a country on a different continent,” 

No nation ever joining any alliance, without any military action or threat of military action, constitutes “picking a fight”.

If Russia is that triggered about their neighbors lining up with the West as a security blanket, maybe Russia should not have spent the last 700 years subjugating and dominating those people. Moscow has brought this entire debacle on itself through its quasi-Tsarist mentality towards these countries.
This post was edited on 12/4/22 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:57 pm to
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Let Russia try to put nukes in Cuba and see what the US threatens to do. Oh wait. That already happened. And we threatened nuclear war.

And our threats were not justified then.

Why is that relevant again? It’s been 60 years

Either way, us being wrong in the past has ZERO bearing on whether Russia is in the wrong now.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 6:59 pm to
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Expanding NATO into Ukraine is no different. The US is not the choir boys taking up for freedom around the world they lead us to believe.

All NATO expansion has to be unanimous, and you betray yourself to be completely ignorant about NATO if you think nations get added because the US says so.

Hungary and Turkey are slow rolling Sweden and Finland’s admission as we speak.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 7:00 pm to
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lsuguy84


Glenn Greenwald predicted this:

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 7:02 pm to
I sort of agree and disagree. For whatever else you think of Stalin, he was incredibly dangerous and powerful. The threat posed by millions of Soviet troops (who remained almost fully mobilized after occupying most of Eastern and Central Europe not under Soviet control prior to the war) was real and tangible. The fear in France, Britain and the rest of Western Europe was likewise real and tangible. The NATO alliance merely codified the working relationship that began during WWI and really flourished during WWII to counter that threat.

Since the Cold War ended, however, NATO has been needlessly provocative and aggressive at times. The Balkans operations were very, very aggressive actions relative to the strength of the Serbia (a longtime Russian ally), its main target. (Full disclosure: I participated in those operations in a very small way.)

This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 7:07 pm to
So do the Dems
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6849 posts
Posted on 12/4/22 at 7:12 pm to
Great question! Europe finds itself goaded by the US to promote expansion right up to Russia's boarder. US policy in Europe has led to an energy crisis, financial difficulty and civil unrest.

Pushback against the US/LWO is causing Europe to question from who, exactly it needs to be protected.
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 7:12 pm to
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Glenn Greenwald


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