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Myth Vs Fact: DHS Zero- Tolerance Policy

Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:06 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:06 am
Thought this was interesting. Instead of getting the media fed propaganda on a nightly basis; we should probably just go to the horse’s mouth.

quote:

Release Date: June 18, 2018

In recent days, we have seen reporters, Members of Congress, and other groups mislead the public on the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) zero-tolerance policy.

Federal law enforcement officers have sworn duties to enforce the laws that Congress passes. Repeating intentionally untrue and unsubstantiated statements about DHS agents, officers, and procedures is irresponsible and deeply disrespectful to the men and women who risk their lives every day to secure our border and enforce our laws.

Myth - DHS has a policy to separate families at the border.

Fact - DHS does not have a blanket policy of separating families at the border.

However, DHS does have a responsibility to protect all minors in our custody.

This means DHS will separate adults and minors under certain circumstances.

These circumstances include:

1) when DHS is unable to determine the familial relationship,

2) when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the parent or legal guardian, or

3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.

Familial Relationship – If there is reason to question the claimed familial relationship between an adult and child, it is not appropriate to detain adults and children together.

Human Trafficking and Smuggling – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian of human trafficking or smuggling, DHS detains the adult in an appropriate, secure detection facility, separate from the minor.

DHS continues to see instances and intelligence reports indicating minors are trafficked by unrelated adults, posing as a “family” in an effort to avoid detention.

Safety Risk – If there is reason to suspect the purported parent or legal guardian poses a safety risk to the child (e.g. suspected child abuse), it is not appropriate to maintain the adult and child together.

Criminal Prosecution – If an adult is referred for criminal prosecution, the adult will be transferred to U.S. Marshals Service custody and any children will be classified as an unaccompanied alien child and transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services custody.


DHS.GOV
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22368 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:11 am to
This isn’t complicated:

“3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution.”

This is the change. The previous administration had told DHS to not refer for criminal prosecution. Dems want to do away with this crime, to make it legal to cross the border.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38279 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:13 am to
Or they can just go to a port of entry and claim asylum.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79121 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:14 am to
My very Dem neighbor just had a meltdown over this. She actually thinks GEOTUS was the one who “wrote the law” lulz
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5638 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:15 am to
Does this link explain what happened on April 6th and the result of said change?

That’s what people are talking about, DHS knows this, seems obtuse to not address that.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23711 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:16 am to
There is no law. If there was we would see it posted 100 times each day. What is happening is new.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22368 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:18 am to
quote:

Or they can just go to a port of entry and claim asylum.


I agree, but many aren’t doing that and the fact is today, unlike a few years ago, those that don’t are being referred for prosecution.
I think it should be a crime, I think we should have more deterrents to crossing like a wall, I also feel for kids and parents who are seeking shelter and safety in the USA. Congress can fix all of this, the last few admins have let them kick the can down the road by choosing to not enforce the law. Trump seems willing to take the political hit required to force them to act and stop all of this mess.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38279 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:18 am to
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Does this link explain what happened on April 6th and the result of said change?


Click on it a read it yourself, lazyass.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23711 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:21 am to
quote:

3) when the parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution


Which, under new policy, is everyone. So yes, there is a new blanket policy to take your children.

This is bad. Now watch the Poli Board fascists defend the opening of new private prisons all over the country and pretend that this is normal behavior.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22368 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:24 am to
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Which, under new policy, is everyone. So yes, there is a new blanket policy to take your children.


What was the previous policy and what were it’s practical outcomes? Say it’s 2016, what did the Obama admin do here?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38279 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:26 am to
quote:


Which, under new policy, is everyone. So yes, there is a new blanket policy to take your children.

This is bad. Now watch the Poli Board fascists defend the opening of new private prisons all over the country and pretend that this is normal behavior.


DHS cannot detain the children for over twenty days. And they rarely do. You know nothing about the Flores Settlement Agreement.

Google is your friend.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73444 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:27 am to
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Which, under new policy, is everyone. So yes, there is a new blanket policy to take your children.
Forever!

Fascist!
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5638 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:28 am to
I did, and it doesn’t. Have you? I mean you’re so bent on getting the facts straight but you completely avoid the one thing everybody is up in arms about, which is “which is different now” or “what, specifically, has changed”. Why would you avoid the key component of everyone’s argument?

This is like claiming to have explained the weather forecast but avoided the question, “is it going to rain or not?”

Stupid thread.



This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:30 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38279 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:31 am to
quote:

I did, and it doesn’t. Have you? I mean you’re so bent on getting the facts straight but you completely avoid the one thing everybody is up in arms about, which is “which is different now” or “what, specifically, has changed”. Why would you avoid the key component of everyone’s argument?


What’s changed?

The fricking law is being enforced, you animal.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5638 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:33 am to
Then fricking say that, jackass.

The POTUS and the DA are doing the same thing that all politicians do, picking and choosing which laws are politically expedient to enforce (and to what extent) and which ones aren’t. THAT’S the difference.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:36 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38279 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:36 am to
quote:

Then fricking say that, jackass


I didn’t think I had to.

Anyone with half a brain could get that.

Why are you against our laws being enforced?
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:36 am to
quote:

Or they can just go to a port of entry and claim asylum.



Why don't they just go to a port of entry to claim asylum to begin with?

Instead of crossing in the middle of the desert with Cartel affiliated coyotes who enjoy raping women.

Makes no sense. Almost as if the Cartel is in charge, calling the shots.


One of the BP sups interviewed earlier said that the Cartel intentionally has coyotes smuggle people on certain routes to divert manpower over there, while they quietly sneak in their more valuable merchandise over here in a different spot.
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:41 am to
quote:

That’s what people are talking about, DHS knows this, seems obtuse to not address that.



People are not talking about that unless they are trying to make excuses.

Most people, including the MSM, are talking about kids in cages. Kids separated from families. These 2 things specifically have been going on for decades. And nobody said boo.

The argument you are trying to make is that because protocol changed on April 6th, and instead of taking X number of kids in per month we now take in Y number of kids, the difference is what determines the outrage.

If you go this route you are admitting that you do not care about kids in cages or kids being separated. You only care about the volume. You are okay if it only happens to X number of kids per month. How fricked up is that?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67920 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:42 am to
Lo-TBoy

Did you read the OP?


They are department guidelines. Reducing human trafficking is one of the goals here.

Do you not agree with that, or do you want to make it easier for pedos to acquire sex slaves?

Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5638 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:42 am to
“I got an idea, I’ll make a thread addressing the facts and myths about our current immigration issue but I’ll intentionally leave out the key question being discussed ad nausem by both the left and right.”

Your lack of awareness, in a thread you authored attempting to promote awareness, is hilarious.
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