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My personal views on Trump
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:30 pm
Admittedly, when Trump first announced his plans to run I was skeptical.
But given the pushback from the media, I secretly wanted him to win. Solely because I was tired of the 3rd wave feminist agenda.
So far, I see the changes he has made in the country as net positive in terms of policy. But my issues arise not directly from him, but the crowd that supports him.
To elaborate
Evangelicals: This branch had to compromise. It was inevitable Trump would win the nomination. However he doesn't represent the ideals they are trying to push.
He was blessed by God to win the election. However, at this point I cant take this branch seriously anymore. How can you try to force piety on people given the lifestyle Trump has lived.
No. I'm not perfect. I'm not judging Trump and it's not my place. On a personal level, I dont care what he did in his past. I'm just pointing out a hypocrisy of the branch. Trump isn't the guilty party, hes just being himself.
PS: I grew up Baptist.
Other branches: I dont really have a problem with them. I just dont he can accomplish all of the promises in lasting way.
1) I dont think the wall will solve our immigration problem long term. But he is trying to take domestic measures with Mexico so hopefully that works out.
2)Trump cant stop the fact that society at large is very gynocentric. If need be I'll further explain this point.
3) He Keeps promoting a good economy. That's great!
I have nothing against him. I just think he may be forced to move center on some issues. And I hope his tax cuts dont hurt social security or Medicare, but time will tell.
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Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:32 pm to volod
I wanted to down vote. But I couldn't.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:33 pm to volod
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I have nothing against him. I just think he may be forced to move center on some issues.
TRUMP already is at the center. Democrats are all just far left.
Our President wont budge. He is The One we've been waiting for!
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:34 pm to volod
Evangelicals are weak minded
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:34 pm to volod
For what its worth, I would say most Trump supporters are NOT evangelicals, but reasonable americans who were fed up with Obama's agenda.
I dont think people realize this. Trump was elected to be the complete opposite of Obama, which is why the left despises him so much
I dont think people realize this. Trump was elected to be the complete opposite of Obama, which is why the left despises him so much
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:37 pm to AggieDub14
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Evangelicals are weak minded
and nobody takes them seriously
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:38 pm to volod
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And I hope his tax cuts dont hurt social security or Medicare, but time will tell.
Those programs are doomed regardless. If SS accounted for future financial liability using the same rules the govt requires of private sector pensions, everyone would see how underfunded those programs actually are. I'm in my mid-40's and know I'm going to get hammered by this. I have every expectation I'll pay massive taxes and get means tested out of some/ all of my SS benefit.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:40 pm to volod
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But my issues arise not directly from him, but the crowd that supports him.
ok, go on
quote:
Evangelicals: This branch had to compromise. It was inevitable Trump would win the nomination. However he doesn't represent the ideals they are trying to push.
f.
Such as? Be specific
quote:
I'm just pointing out a hypocrisy of the branch.
a politician should be allowed to have a public position and private position and not be hypocrit...
you can mix the two and expect an individual govern exactly as his personal views.
Example: Be ok with gay marriage in public forum
Not ok in private forum.
that's not a hypocrite that's called governing the public, not pushing your morals on others. I think a lot Christians have been able to make cross roads with these social issues.
quote:quote:,
1) I dont think the wall will solve our immigration problem long term. But he is trying to take domestic measures with Mexico so hopefully that works out.
Agreed
quote:Please
2)Trump cant stop the fact that society at large is very gynocentric. If need be I'll further explain this point.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:45 pm to NeverRains
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I dont think people realize this. Trump was elected to be the antithesis of Obama, which is why the left despises him so much
I agree completely. As I said, in all fairness the evangelicals didn't really have much of a choice from either candidate.
I dont know how much pull evangelists have in the GOP, but this past election cycle didn't demonstrate it well.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:46 pm to volod
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How can you try to force piety on people given the lifestyle Trump has lived.
Evangelicals don't try to force "piety" on anyone. They just want the government to stay out of their pulpits and they don't want babies murdered. Trump is aligned with those principals. Evangelicals personally share Jesus's message but i have never met an Evangelical that wanted the government to do that.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:46 pm to volod
Probably the first and only time you deserve a green arrow. Good job sir.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:49 pm to Seldom Seen
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TRUMP already is at the center. Democrats are all just far left.
Correct, in fact he actually offered Democrats MORE than they had been asking for , and certainly more than Obama ever tried to get, on immigration reform and the Dems just refused to work with him, but somehow that's Trump's fault?
frick the Dems at this point.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:52 pm to NeverRains
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I dont think people realize this. Trump was elected to be the complete opposite of Obama, which is why the left despises him so much
I think the Trump phenomenon is much deeper than this. It was definitely a push back on Obama, but equal parts a push back on the entire political class. Bush/ Graham/ McCain is just as disgusting to many as Pelosi/ Clinton/ Schumer.
And the response has been a bipartisan full-frontal assault Trump. For this reason I think Trump will outperform "polls" just like he did vs. Hillary
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:55 pm to ApexTiger
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Such as? Be specific
I was referring to his "playboy lifestyle" even while married.
Again, I'm not knocking him. And the hypocrisy is coming from the evangelical branch of the GOP, not Trump himself. Just to be clear.
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a politician should be allowed to have a public position and private position and not be hypocrit...
Agreed. I think there is a misunderstanding. The GOP I'm against are the ones who push their religion with the same fervor as the left pushes social justice. While both aspects have good qualities, neither extreme will keep moderates.
As for gynocentrism
Look at our family courts which plainly discriminatory. Look at what is required for families to be on welfare.
Do you truly not think we live in a gynocentric society.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:58 pm to volod
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Agreed. I think there is a misunderstanding. The GOP I'm against are the ones who push their religion with the same fervor as the left pushes social justice. While both aspects have good qualities, neither extreme will keep moderates.
The fact that Trump got elected despite his personal short comings proves that many conservatives have moved off their religious beliefs , Trump couldn't have won without the evangelical vote, and clearly those people decided there were more important issues than gay marriage, or what have you.
Of course the fact that Trump managed to do this is EXACTLY why so many Democrats are so frazzled by him.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:04 pm to Mike Honcho
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Evangelicals personally share Jesus's message but i have never met an Evangelical that wanted the government to do that.
You haven't?
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:06 pm to volod
i'll be honest. I thought Trump had zero chance of winning, mainly because I thought a republican has to carry the moral majority aka evangelicals. I never dreamed they would elect someone with a well documented past of low character.
I visited my sister about a month before the elections. Her and her whole family are the types that take the Bible literally. Like they believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaur bones are fake, Grand Canyon can be explained as being only 1500 years old. that type. She told me that they had donated to Trump's campaign. I knew at that moment the political landscape of the US had completely flipped around.
I visited my sister about a month before the elections. Her and her whole family are the types that take the Bible literally. Like they believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaur bones are fake, Grand Canyon can be explained as being only 1500 years old. that type. She told me that they had donated to Trump's campaign. I knew at that moment the political landscape of the US had completely flipped around.
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:08 pm to volod
Trump's support from the evangelicals is pretty much two fold:
1 - he is/was not Hilliary (or some other SJW men can have vaginas crack pot)
2 - this one many people miss about evangelicals - he seems to be living a more wholesome life now than his past. Christians love repentant sinners, Trump seems to be one.
1 - he is/was not Hilliary (or some other SJW men can have vaginas crack pot)
2 - this one many people miss about evangelicals - he seems to be living a more wholesome life now than his past. Christians love repentant sinners, Trump seems to be one.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:08 pm to volod
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but the crowd that supports him. To elaborate Evangelicals:
That's odd. I know TONS of people IRL who support Trump. And NONE of them are Evangelicals. And I live in Bossier. Maybe the Evangelicals are all living in Leesville.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:15 pm to volod
Again find myself in agreement with you for the most part.
I am not Evangelical, and as a group, I both support and oppose them dependent upon the position discussed. It is important to remember that nebulous groups are actually composed of individuals.
Unfortunately, politics is a group endeavor completely outside the control of the individual. I freely admit to being registered as a Republican, but vehemently deny being a Republican. I disagree with all the components of the party from Evangelicals to Libertarians on some things. But I agree with them more than the components of the Democratic Party. Therefore, I tolerate my few differences with intra party groups because the alternative is to be governed by dims who I mostly disagree with. The balance of power between the parties is too close to banish any ally for not being ideologically pure enough.
The tendency for libertarians to discard religious allies is irrational while the fight is so much in doubt.
I am not Evangelical, and as a group, I both support and oppose them dependent upon the position discussed. It is important to remember that nebulous groups are actually composed of individuals.
Unfortunately, politics is a group endeavor completely outside the control of the individual. I freely admit to being registered as a Republican, but vehemently deny being a Republican. I disagree with all the components of the party from Evangelicals to Libertarians on some things. But I agree with them more than the components of the Democratic Party. Therefore, I tolerate my few differences with intra party groups because the alternative is to be governed by dims who I mostly disagree with. The balance of power between the parties is too close to banish any ally for not being ideologically pure enough.
The tendency for libertarians to discard religious allies is irrational while the fight is so much in doubt.
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