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re: My idea for a different approach to food stamps and obesity

Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16054 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:22 pm to
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but if you are on the system I don't want to pay for your fat kid's oreos.


This should be a slogan that's mass-produced on t-shirts and sold Nationwide
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117579 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:25 pm to
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That seems highly unlikely that people are going to be able to successfully barter items like carrots in a reasonable amount of time every week.


OK, let's go with mustard greens and watermelon.

Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:29 pm to
Have government stores, that sell only healthy food products, produce, etc. SNAP cards may only be used there, and a database is created for each user, based on foods purchased.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117579 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:31 pm to
I like that idea. It's anti freedom but when you're on welfare you should forfeit free choice because you are essentially committing theft.
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:31 pm to
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OK, let's go with mustard greens and watermelon


Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90742 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:32 pm to
Nothing antifreedom about it. Folks choose to enroll in the SNAP program, or not. If they do, then the Gov't has a responsibility to track where the money is going and what it's being spent on. It isn't earned money. It's gifted money.
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:34 pm to
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Have government stores, that sell only healthy food products, produce, etc. SNAP cards may only be used there, and a database is created for each user, based on foods purchased.


I like the idea but then again the gov wouldn't run it worth shot. They would be paying too much for certain items. I think the rewards card that pays for healthy food and not for unhealthy would work better. maybe the USDA could set up a test program with both and we could see.
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:35 pm to
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hat's very hard to do. Recently up here in NW La. we had a food stamp debit glitch at Walmart. The ghetto crowd got on their cell phones and told everyone that stuff is free. During the glitch almost 1,000 of people with food stamp cards stole everything they could carry.

David Vitter demanded that they be prosecuted. They arrested 6. Law enforcement told Vitter that it was just too difficult to find the perps.



I never said it would be easy but they should do it.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:36 pm to
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a database is created for each user, based on foods purchased.

wtf?

Why not just have a place where only SNAP cards are accepted, and only relatively healthy food is stocked? Why get some big government tracking database involved? They can get so much rice, so much beans, so much sugar and so much cooking oil, (etc...)

The idea is to make it simpler, more efficient, less expensive, take advantage of programs already in place, and encourage people eating healthier.

Just give hungry people food. It's not complicated.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28017 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:36 pm to
I don't see how that could possibly work from a financial standpoint.

There wouldn't be much turnover of inventory if you had a whole store just for people on food stamps.

Plus how many of those stores would be built in a city? And they'd have to pay all of the expenses and workers. It would be very inefficient and there is no way the store could afford to stay open on it's own. It would need a ton of government money poured into it just to keep it open.

No possible way that would work.

Plus, people on food stamps aren't always going to be near a government grocery store. They could be driving here or there and aren't always going to be around one of those stores.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:40 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42628 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:36 pm to
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If the Obama admin or any admin was serious about fighting the obesity epidemic especially the childhood obesity epidemic why do they continue the same failed policies and just throw money down the toilet?


Because it helps them win elections, and grow their political power.

If you don't think your tax dollars go to people who live unhealthy lifestyles, then you have to be on something.

There is no doubt our tax dollars go to obese people, smokers, drug users, lazy people and all kinds who do not live a healthy lifestyle.

Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:40 pm to
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There wouldn't be much turnover of inventory if you had a whole store just for people on food stamps. Plus how many of those stores would be built in a city? And they'd have to pay all of the expenses and workers. It would be very inefficient and there is no way the store could afford to stay open on it's own. It would need a ton of government money poured into it just to keep it open.


Not if those stores were government run.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
28017 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:41 pm to
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Not if those stores were government run.

How does that make it any different?
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:48 pm to
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Not if those stores were government run.


The gov can't run anything efficiently. That is my only problem with it. Plus you could never get the sissy libs that say food stamps (the real ones) hurt people's self-esteem to go along with it.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45946 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:49 pm to
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This would be my idea. Issue a card to all EBT, SNAP, and food stamp recipients that tracks what they buy (similar to a reward card). Then the gov rewards those who buy healthy food and punishes (lows funding or cuts it off completely) for those who buy unhealthy food. I also wouldn't be opposed to buying gym memberships for those that are overweight and out of shape.


That would be far, far too expensive to monitor.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:50 pm to
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It isn't earned money. It's gifted money.


This times several million.
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:53 pm to
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That would be far, far too expensive to monitor.


maybe, maybe not. That is why I said it would be nice for a test program to try it.

Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45946 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 12:57 pm to
There's no maybe or maybe not. A govt employee would have to individually check someone's purchases and then pass that up the food chain for other people to make a determination of what to do. That costs a shite ton of money.

Then factor in some sort of appeals/hearing process and the costs go up even more.
This post was edited on 3/13/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:02 pm to
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There's no maybe or maybe not. A govt employee would have to individually check someone's purchases and then pass that up the food chain for other people to make a determination of what to do. That costs a shite ton of money


not really a computer monitors it and says ok person X spent $350/month average over the last 3 months on "junk food". Gov employee looks at it says ok we cut this person $350/month and moves on to the next case. If recipient wants to appeal they have to cover the costs of the appeal.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115415 posts
Posted on 3/13/14 at 1:50 pm to
Counterproposal:

A) no more EBT
B) can only purchase the food offered through Michelle's modified school lunch program
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