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re: MSM says holtz was terrible to call biden a fake catholic. but isn't he technically right?
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:44 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:44 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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would imply that nearly half of all American Catholics are "fake Catholics
I can only assume that you are not a practicing Catholic. Half of all American Catholics are fake Catholics. No regular mass attendance or attendance at holy days of obligation other than Christmas-Easter, no personal prayer or catechism for their children or themselves... Not questioning is Christianity or Faith and something, just stating facts that Biden and many other "Catholics" do not adhere to the principles of the church, at all
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Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:45 pm to GumboPot
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I'm sure there are many Catholics that are in the disposition of sin prior to receiving the Eucharist. The issue is no one knows it in the majority of cases. However if your sin is public policy and you have not renounced that policy the Church's clergy should deny you communion until you repent through reconciliation.
Dems the rules.
Not that complicated really. Unfortunately, a lot of priest are useless because they are SJW's in a collar.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:58 pm to Nobelium
And yet, he still received communion (as have other pro-choice politicians, Democrat and Republican), and it has been advised that bishops deal with these matters on a case-by-case basis. Obviously the church strongly opposes abortion, but the "fake Catholicism" angle is not that clear-cut.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:02 pm to jrobic4
I used to be a practicing Catholic, but no longer am, so I've definitely experienced what you're talking about. Regardless, 36% of practicing Catholics (i.e. "real Catholics" to many of the people on this forum) are pro-choice.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The truth hurts...
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:36 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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This would imply that nearly half of all American Catholics are "fake Catholics."
Apparently so. And the same can be said of a large percentage of the membership of other mainline denominations.
quote:If for no other reason than it highlights the issue and gives hope to traditional orthodox Roman Catholics that there remain faithful priests serving Christ and His Church.
Also, I don't see why being denied communion in one church on one occasion would carry more weight than the hundreds of times he received communion in other Catholic churches.
quote:Because he is a somewhat notable Roman Catholic layman like Joe Biden. Unlike Biden, Holtz is an orthodox, traditional, and faithful Roman Catholic. St. Paul was quite clear that Christians had little business passing judgment on non-Christians sins but had some responsibility in that regard addressing Christians claiming membership in Christ's Church but walking in a manner unworthy of Christ. I think Holtz spoke appropriately and Biden was properly reproved.
And I really don't see why Lou Holtz carries any weight in this discussion at all.
(1 Corinthians 5:9-13)
It's too bad the Roman Catholic hierarchy won't admonish him like Holtz and the priest who refused Biden the Eucharist.
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It's a ridiculous path to go down. I figured we'd all agree on that.
Apparently not.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The current leadership in the Catholic Church are fake Christians.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:37 pm to therick711
Why would we stop doing that? Some people don’t belong in the church and soul-selling piece of shite Biden is one of them. He’s directly contributed to many policies that are against our religion over the years
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:39 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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This would imply that nearly half of all American Catholics are "fake Catholics."
Anyone who supports abortion, especially second and third trimester and partial birth abortion, are not Christians or Catholics factually by definition.
You can support abortion all you want I guess. But you cannot support it and be Christian at the same time. It’s literally impossible.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:02 pm to Nguyener
Abortion isn't mentioned in the bible, and we're only talking about the Catholic church here, not Christianity as a whole. There are other Christian denominations where abortion rights are supported, so it definitely isn't impossible to support abortion and be a Christian at the same time.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:04 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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Abortion isn't mentioned in the bible
Are you serious?
Do you consider unborn children not to be human? Or do you consider anything not specifically stated in the Bible to be off limits?
Please expound upon this. I am happy to discuss it with you.
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There are other Christian denominations where abortion rights are supported
No. There literally are not. It is impossible to be Christian and a believer in abortion.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:20 pm to bluedragon
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Just ask Nancy. She won't approach a church anywhere ...
...or a mirror.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:22 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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it definitely isn't impossible to support abortion and be a Christian at the same time.
Ugh, yes it is. IT is absolutely impossible.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The MSM has a lot of nerve getting indignant about name calling.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:28 pm to Toomuchpreworkout
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This would imply that nearly half of all American Catholics are "fake Catholics." Also, I don't see why being denied communion in one church on one occasion would carry more weight than the hundreds of times he received communion in other Catholic churches. And I really don't see why Lou Holtz carries any weight in this discussion at all. I'd understand if Lou Holtz said "Biden supports abortion, so don't vote for him." But questioning someone else's overall faith is really fricking stupid, no matter who it is or what the faith is. It's a ridiculous path to go down. I figured we'd all agree on that.
God doesn't support abortion but Democrats do.
Any person who claims to be religious and votes Democrat is a fake.
Protecting abortion is the main platform for Democrats.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:34 pm to GumboPot
quote:While I understand the sentiment, Jesus laid out the path for excommunication as a means of reconciliation. The hope is that by handing the unrepentant person over to Satan, they will see their need for Christ.
The RCC does not need to make an overt act to excommunicate someone albeit they will for various reasons as a last resort. Their charge is to save souls and they try as hard as they can. The majority of the time non-reconcilable Catholics excommunicate themselves.
It's a shame that the RCC doesn't see the need for church discipline any longer, at least it seems that way.
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:39 pm to The Maj
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Not familiar enough with the practices of Catholics
Catholic church forbids abortion and by supporting you are committing sins and helping others commit mortal (serious) sins. It is enough to not be able to take communion
Posted on 8/27/20 at 4:06 pm to AubieinNC2009
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Catholic church forbids abortion and by supporting you are committing sins and helping others commit mortal (serious) sins. It is enough to not be able to take communion
I understand that but thanks for explaining it... My reference to not being familiar with the practices of Catholics was more toward how they handled church discipline...
Posted on 8/27/20 at 7:34 pm to The Maj
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