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re: Most antigun people simply don’t know enough about guns to understand their argument

Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35131 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:23 pm to
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Know enough guns kill


Second hand smoking kills more people each year than guns do.

Funny right?
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:27 pm to
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It’s funny you brought up NYC, some of the ACTUAL strictest gun laws in our country (not just a talking point, which we know for a fact you’re prone to fall for). Record lows.


You said there were no strict laws anywhere?

NYC’s drop is largely credited to factors other than gun laws, including having the highest concentration of LE of any US city.

Can you tell me how an AR15 is functionally diffferent than any other semi auto rifle?
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 10:30 pm
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:34 pm to
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JEAUXBLEAUX



you are seriously one of the most low IQ posters to grace this website.

no wonder you can't keep a job.

Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:36 pm to
Well I did use the word “relative” later in my post for a reason. Are you familiar w this word?

We don’t have to do this, we know where we both stand on this and the fact that nobody is changing anyone’s mind. But if you’re pimping bullshite talking points (two days ago no less!) that are flat out lies and making threads saying, “the right has facts on its side”, you’re going to get appropriately called out.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 10:38 pm
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:40 pm to
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There’s nothing stopping anybody coming anyone coming and gong with whatever they want and there are no “strict gun laws”


Your words.

Call the NJ state police and tell them you are about to enter the state with a gun that is banned there and report back.

Can you tell me how an AR15 is functionally different than any other semi auto rifle?
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72856 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:43 pm to
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there are no “strict gun laws”


Really?

It's more difficult to get a suppressor than it is to buy an AR-15. Regardless of where you fall on gun control, that's completely ridiculous.
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:47 pm to
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but it’s hard to argue it isn’t having an impact.




The biggest impact is that the criminals have been priced out of the city.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:48 pm to
Now you’re just moving the goalposts, you’re not fooling anyone. The premise of the Chicago argument is their strict gun laws limit access, but they don’t (because they don’t exist), you can come and go across state and city lines unchecked w whatever you want in your car. Same for NJ. The fact that people aren’t calling the police to tell them doesn’t mean anything.

Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:51 pm to
You’re taking what I said out of context, I hope that’s not intentional.

Chicago gun laws are par for the course and really no stricter than anywhere else relatively speaking. All of the rules they did have, that the right still talk about, have been peeled back since Heller. The only one that kind of exists is where you can or can’t put retailers, but even those rules aren’t even significant.
This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72856 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:53 pm to
Not at all, unless the NFA doesn't apply in Chicago. If that's the case, maybe I'll have to move to Chicago.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:54 pm to
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you can come and go across state and city lines unchecked w whatever you want in your car. Same for NJ. The fact that people aren’t calling the police to tell them doesn’t mean anything


So you are saying that criminals are ignoring existing gun laws that prohibit possession of certain guns in those locations? How will your proposed new laws change this behavior?

How is an AR15 functionally different than any other semi auto rifle?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 10:55 pm to
I’d probably agree with that. It’s happening in DC too to a certain extent, which I’ve seen first hand.

All of my friends from my hometown who have their shite together have been buying up (and renovating) rundown houses in parts of DC you wouldn’t even consider venturing into 10-15 years ago. Rapid gentrification.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:03 pm to
It all boils down to this, are you willing to step on, and potentially dismantle, the personal freedoms and established rights of others in order to successfully complete what you feel is necessary?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:03 pm to
I’m not proposing anything but unless these hypothetical restrictions are comprehensive and coast to coast, as in you can’t hop in the intestate and get whatever you want 10 min down the road, the local restrictions are for the most part meaningless.

This post was edited on 2/18/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:07 pm to
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unless these hypothetical restrictions are comprehensive and coast to coast, as in you can’t hop in the intestate and get whatever you want 10 min down the road, the local restrictions are for the most part meaningless.


How does having Mexico as our southern neighbor affect your vision of national gun control? Would there not be an influx of guns from across the border? Just as you state the influx of guns from lax gun control areas of the US affect the effectiveness of strict gun control areas?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
5645 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:13 pm to
In theory, we’d stop it. Unlike Chicago, there’s actually resources/law enforcement in place to stop that from happening. Same w drugs, human trafficking, etc. How effective are they at this job? Well that’s an entirely different conversation, as you know.

But yes, economically speaking there would definitely be a spike in demand given the limitations on the supply (on our side). How much? What impact that would have? Hard to say.

Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
837 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:16 pm to
None of those other things were designed for killing humans
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:16 pm to
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there’s actually resources/law enforcement in place to stop that from happening


So where do you stand on the wall and other border security policies?
Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
837 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:17 pm to
Murder by guns?
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6839 posts
Posted on 2/18/18 at 11:21 pm to
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None of those other things were designed for killing humans


Treadmills were designed to be a torture device (and remain to be if you ask me). Let’s outlaw em.
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